Was that before or after the performance enhancing drugs

Lost any credibility at that point darling.

He didn't have respect outside of Wigan anyway so this doesn't make any difference.

Actually think this is pretty accurate, and you must be a similar age to me. I can recall the early days of my drinking days in St. Helens and taking the beak was a taboo. It was the dark art and kept well hidden from public.

I too have seen lads snorting the powder in the cubicle and I can tell you of one player happy to take the stuff at a mates house. It is a problem in society that it has become some sort of statement of 'independence' and 'indviduality' to take the stuff.

So true. it's like reckless driving, I'd take the 'course' over the points so would certain players.

It does make a mockery of the disciplinary system if your standing in the game is considered before the punishment is given.

It wouldn't surprise me if clubs were tipped off that testing was scheduled at their training sessions. All using players would end up being injured and you'd end up with only a handful of players actually participating.

I'm 18 years old, you could say I've had a good upbringing, kept out of trouble and all that. I go round King Street often enough to know where to go and where to avoid - its just common sense. You don't find drugs unless you go looking for them. I guess a lot of players seem to find themselves in the wrong crowd of people i.e. Like Hock said; its having the knowledge to avoid them and use your own common sense.

Its nothing to do with upbringing mate, Im 30, have freinds who are doctors lawyers, firemen, plumbers, brickies and dont work.

Every single one of them has tried or uses recreational drugs, i even had a mate who took steriods, but didnt really go the gym! Thats true by the way!

Its super common these days, id be more shocked to meet someone between 21 and 30 who hasnt taken any sort of drug!

think it needs to get worse before it gets better. when players can look at their club and see their mate has been done for it then we might get a mentality change.

the rfl need to up the testing, midweeks, unanounced, majority of players every week or even all the players every week. i dont know how it works at the minute but doesnt coke pass through your system in 2/3 days? sunday morning tests at players homes?

Course he does. He was the starting hooker in 7 finals (including 2 CC wins) over the space of 7 seasons and earned 15 GB caps over the space of 9 seasons. He wasn't the same player after he left Wigan but he's still had a very good career.

That is true, things like Cannabis take upto 6 months to leave your system.

I didn't mention any names, but you've probably just proved my point...And I wasn't talking about that particular situation.

Just finished watching the boots and all clip from last night, and i cant believe im about to say this, but paul cullen has spoken the most sence i have ever heard (from him) about the use of drugs by sportsmen.

Hock testing positive was the worst kept secret in wigan, it was a matter of time, but the growth hormone issue is a massive one. How many lads do we see much bigger after an off season? Now i realise you can put some weight on in a short period of time, and I am not saying they all do it, but I do know that designer steriods arnt that difficult to come by for proffesional athletes. The rfl should test everyone in the comp, using the most stringent test allowed, if thats the hair folicle test then so be it, we may have teams playing with half a squad, but if thats the case then so be it!