What you pies need is patience.

It takes years to build a team.

Lenaghan to me is looking to build a team around Wigan youngsters, but at present is hamstrung by legacy big money players.

Getting rid of the coach now is the worst thing you could do. It would be a panic response, when there is no need to panic.

You need to accept that at present you are a middle order team, with a number of youngsters that offer the potential in years ahead to put you in the challenge for honours.

Nice try but we are Wigan RL. Whilst being a "middle order team" may be acceptable to Stains (actually it's their natural level), it is not at Wigan.

Correct i was out with AJ. What did you want me for?

I didn't want you mate..I just thought after that performance you would be out on the ale

instead of posting on here.

I agree with much of this post except to say I think Noble is responsible for the symptoms we see.

He has brought his people in the backroom staff in key positions, as usual its a mates mentality regardless of how good they can be.

Its very rare that a top coach recruits his mates to his staff.

Apologies for the essay i got a bit carried away & while i do think Chair is trolling a tiny bit, he sort of is right...

You don't have to accept it, of course it is unacceptable for Wigan to be in the position they find themselves in but you have to accept there is no over night fix.

As an outsider and not one for trolling I can see changes are definitely needed at the end of the season, or earlier if improvement doesn't come soon. Your end of season play off couple of gung ho games are incredibly exciting but its generally false hope as you have been left with too much to do.

While Deano makes some great points about the pre Super League Wigan set up, it was admittedly an almost impregnable team but that philosophy & set up pretty much destroyed the club financially & while it was great for 15 years, had it continued you might not have been here to talk about it now.

Rightly or wrongly the game has changed an awful lot since 1995 other teams have adapted to it better than Wigan & for Wigan to get back to the top & stay there they need stability right from the top down, a steady path of progression from juniors & academy to first team, the loyal support of their fans & 17 passionate warriors out on the pitch week in week out – a lot of that is in place.

The fans generally appear unhappy with the way you play which from the matches I’ve seen it can be one dimensional - but when you do get on top like Bradford this year you can play good rugby from anywhere on the pitch. It looks more like inconsistency than lack of ability - a couple of better players would make a hell of a difference, specifically a top Prop (or just Fielden back to his 2003ish form), so much is made of Leeds and Saints dominance which is always off the back of good go forward.

There is no doubt some of the Wigan kids are very bright & the future of the club is there in them, but they do need a coach who will give them experience without over exposing them but not leaving them on the fringes and stagnating.

I wouldn’t keep Noble myself & stuff keeping jobs for English coaches if no-one is good enough then go and get someone who is. Edwards, Meninga (gulp), Stuart, Bennett would all bring the stature that is required to the job – but whoever it is must be given at least 3 years to get the team how they want it.

I think 3 years is long enough to see an improvement, and all i've seen are backwards steps. I've never seen a Wigan team as inconsistent and poor in defence as this present lot. Perhaps the attitude has completely changed and if it has, i wonder if the play-off system is to blame? Perhaps Noble feels that we only have to perform towards the back end of the season. In reality, the chances are that if we don't finish in the top two of the table we won't get to the Grand Final (correct me if i'm wrong but only once has anyone won the GF from outside the top 2). It's always one game too far. You don't see the likes of Saints and Leeds take this attitude and it's about time our coach and playing staff bucked their ideas up.

I simply don't think you can blame noble. He managed to get us to 4th last season and that's the highest since 2004 and then in 2003 we managed 3rd but we've declined since then I think it's neither Lenegan nor Noble just a decline of the brand so to speak somehow



However, there is a point I would like to make.

[uAt this point in 2006 (well in mid April so slightly later) Millward was sacked for having not much worse a start. So I wonder what will happen now.[/u

You surely don't think he is blameless? If he has no influence and our current state is all down to the players (what else could be the problem if Noble is blameless?) what do we employ him for?




Read the thread titled : Noble's SL regular rounds record with Wigan.



I don't this point is lost on anyone. Whether IL will tolerate a full season of this if things don't improve (because there is no relegation) is the interesting question.

Dave

I said before this season started that we would be poor this year. The squad is very poor. Its full of average players with not one truely great player among it.

You cannot lose a Trent Barrett and just not replace him yet expect to be a better team. Tim Smith was never going to be the answer and i cannot see why we signed him. I think it was more of a case that we got him to try and help us push for the grand final last year with a view to him playing 7 this year alongside a new stand off. When the new stand off didnt happen IL seemed to suddenly get this idea that Tommy and Timmy would do which everybody could see was a massive gamble. Now we are stuck with 2 scrum halfs one of whom is a better hooker and the other who cannot tackle a big dinner and his defence is so poor that its virtually impossible to play him.

Your Wrong on that one, IL told me himself that Tommy & Timmy were the answer on the 7th November over a Heated debate & A couple of Wines & Lagers!

PS

I told him those 2 couldn't play together as long as they had an hole in their Ar5es! And Just because you have 100million quid doesnt make you a better judge of a player than the rest of us!