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Quote: Egg Chasing "Feels like no conincidence to me that the SR usually ends up being the one to cover in the centres.'"


Wingers can and have done it. Bibby at Wigan and currently Handley at Leeds.
How many centres cover the backrow?

Centres are just out of vogue. Once a really good natural centre comes through

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griffin has only transitioned to the back row as he's crap at centre.

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "griffin has only transitioned to the back row as he's crap at centre.'"


Totally agree but just trying to be honest.
Historically many many backs tried moving to the forwards but very few successfully did it. Generally backs and forwards are just “animals”

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Totally agree but just trying to be honest.
Historically many many backs tried moving to the forwards but very few successfully did it. Generally backs and forwards are just “animals”'"


Different animals

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I don’t know what a pendant is ??

People haven’t given “loads” of examples. If you consider half dozen examples over 20 odd years as loads then I’m glad you don’t serve in our local chippy. For Wigan very very few have accomplished it.
Bateman is never a centre in the memory of man. The only reason he played there for Wigan was to cover injuries and internationally because we have so few decent centres. KPP will never be a centre. He never carries the ball with two hands and wouldn’t know where start in how to draw a man in. Isa is a fit athlete but isn’t a decent centre and is a SR who never makes a break or make decent yardage. Name me another centre at Wigan who transitioned permanently into the SR?
How many times has Hurrell played SR for Saints? It’s got nothing to do with injuries or suspensions has it? He couldn’t do it permanently because he hasn’t got the fitness and I suspect he wouldn’t want the intensity of playing SR permanently.

Currently there is one player that’s been named as moving from centre to SR ie Watkins. One. I think possibly Griffin at Hull also made the permanent change. There you go two. As I keep saying very few and far between.

If centres and SR are interchangeable why did we sign King and Wardle? Why not make do with Isa and KPP?
I’ll have Carmont and Gleason as centres you take your pick of any the names put forward who have “transitioned”. I know who I will pick.

By the way my original post was centres to SR and you name Bateman??

I’m not being argumentative I’m just stating an opinion that broadly I feel stand’s up.'"



How many players move positions regularly? Of course there are not loads because players rarely move positions but when they do it tends to be secondrow to centres and more recently 6’s to 1’s.

You can’t change history…Isa was predominantly a centre at the start of his career. Saying he wasn’t a good one (he actually was pretty good) doesn’t make you right.

He has also been a great secondrow for Wigan.

Hurrell was signed as an impact secondrow injuries have meant it hasn’t happened as much as the club planned.

Bateman and KPP both played big minutes at centre.

There is a long list of players that have moved just read the thread. Loads of names on here.

It’s not often players move position so obviously it’s not going yo be full of examples what is being said over the years many (more than any others who tend to move positions) have done it and done it well.

Denying that is inaccurate.

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Quote: jonh "How many players move positions regularly? Of course there are not loads because players rarely move positions but when they do it tends to be secondrow to centres and more recently 6’s to 1’s.

You can’t change history…Isa was predominantly a centre at the start of his career. Saying he wasn’t a good one (he actually was pretty good) doesn’t make you right.

He has also been a great secondrow for Wigan.

Hurrell was signed as an impact secondrow injuries have meant it hasn’t happened as much as the club planned.

Bateman and KPP both played big minutes at centre.

There is a long list of players that have moved just read the thread. Loads of names on here.

It’s not often players move position so obviously it’s not going yo be full of examples what is being said over the years many (more than any others who tend to move positions) have done it and done it well.

Denying that is inaccurate.'"


Jon I can read and “loads” of names just have not been mentioned. The vast majority were over 20 years ago. Your definition of loads is questionable at the very least.
Playing “big” minutes?? What does that mean? Both Bateman and KPP at centre are ok in an emergency but never ever in a month of Sundays are they a centre.

Isa a great second row? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. He’s been a decent squad player. Full stop.

My post was about centres to SR. You keep on about two Wigan players who have played centre occasionally.
The “loads” of centres to SR at Wigan was I think 4 this millennium and included Martin Aspinwall for god’s sake.

I will ask again if “edges” are interchangeable why did we King and Wardle and not make do with Isa and KPP?
You can have your “edges” and I will stick with centres and SRs.

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Sticking my pedantic head on, surely a centre should be classed as a middle eusa_think.gif

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Jon I can read and “loads” of names just have not been mentioned. The vast majority were over 20 years ago. Your definition of loads is questionable at the very least.
Playing “big” minutes?? What does that mean? Both Bateman and KPP at centre are ok in an emergency but never ever in a month of Sundays are they a centre.

Isa a great second row? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. He’s been a decent squad player. Full stop.

My post was about centres to SR. You keep on about two Wigan players who have played centre occasionally.
The “loads” of centres to SR at Wigan was I think 4 this millennium and included Martin Aspinwall for god’s sake.

I will ask again if “edges” are interchangeable why did we King and Wardle and not make do with Isa and KPP?
You can have your “edges” and I will stick with centres and SRs.'"


You are taking Wigan in isolation, totally ignoring other teams.

You can stick with it but the game is and has changed.

I actually prefer to see the more skilled centres you crave however we are as a sport increasingly going for athletes over skill.

You are failing to miss the point that players don’t generally change positions, however if they do then they tend to be centres to secondrow and more recently fullbacks and halves.

Isa has been a great secondrow for Wigan. If you don’t recognise that I have to question your player judgement.

Why do teams bring in any players? To improve the team.

Wardle isn’t the type of centre that could transition to secondrow but King certainly is due to his style of play (where this all started I believe).

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Quote: apollosghost "Sticking my pedantic head on, surely a centre should be classed as a middle
I’m guessing that goes back to the Union terms where most of the original names would have come from where the centres generally were in the middle of the field working together as inside and outside centres rather than split like they do in league ie left and right centre.

Kind of the same with the term scrum half and stand off, since we split them to the left and right the term now seems to be more “half back” for both positions rather that scrum half and stand off.

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Quote: jonh "You are taking Wigan in isolation, totally ignoring other teams.

You can stick with it but the game is and has changed.

I actually prefer to see the more skilled centres you crave however we are as a sport increasingly going for athletes over skill.

You are failing to miss the point that players don’t generally change positions, however if they do then they tend to be centres to secondrow and more recently fullbacks and halves.

Isa has been a great secondrow for Wigan. If you don’t recognise that I have to question your player judgement.

Why do teams bring in any players? To improve the team.

Wardle isn’t the type of centre that could transition to secondrow but King certainly is due to his style of play (where this all started I believe).'"


Not sure why they've had to have moved there permanently to be considered. The number of centres in recent years that have also played SR and vice versa is probably only bettered by the number of halves to play FB and vice versa.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Not sure why they've had to have moved there permanently to be considered. The number of centres in recent years that have also played SR and vice versa is probably only bettered by the number of halves to play FB and vice versa.'"


Apart from Isa how many Wigan centres have played in the SR even occasionally in the last 10 years??
It’s just a total fallacy that centres make a good SR.

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Quote: jonh "You are taking Wigan in isolation, totally ignoring other teams.

You can stick with it but the game is and has changed.

I actually prefer to see the more skilled centres you crave however we are as a sport increasingly going for athletes over skill.

You are failing to miss the point that players don’t generally change positions, however if they do then they tend to be centres to secondrow and more recently fullbacks and halves.

Isa has been a great secondrow for Wigan. If you don’t recognise that I have to question your player judgement.

Why do teams bring in any players? To improve the team.

Wardle isn’t the type of centre that could transition to secondrow but King certainly is due to his style of play (where this all started I believe).'"


If King ever does play successfully in the SR I will eat Pompey. Obviously it will difficult to define successfully but let’s just say he plays 100 hundred games there. It’ll never happen.
If you seriously believe Isa is a great second row then I question more than your judgment.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "If King ever does play successfully in the SR I will eat Pompey. Obviously it will difficult to define successfully but let’s just say he plays 100 hundred games there. It’ll never happen.
If you seriously believe Isa is a great second row then I question more than your judgment.'"


Isa has been a great secondrow signing for Wigan.

One of the best signings we have made in the last decade.

Is he a super star? Absolutely not, but has he had a great contribution to the team during his 8 year here, put in huge efforts and done at times the work of 2 so that someone else can do the flash stuff.

I guarantee you if you ask any players that played at Wigan at the same time as he has he would be in all their top 3 team mates line ups.

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