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| Quote Egg Chasing="Egg Chasing"I'm not talking about the overseas players. I'm talking about sending English players to the NRL.
Every player we lose a player to the NRL it's met with moans and groans about losing the competitions best players.'"
Sorry I misunderstood. But that is our only option if we are to improve the international game in the short-term as the quality of SL does not test the best players we have got on a regular basis. Look at how New Zealand and Samoa have come on leaps and bounds since their players flooded into the NRL.
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| Quote Stu M="Stu M"This is a good point. When was the last time we had a real superstar in our comp who stayed long enough to add some real value? The likes of Barba and Lyon were superstars but came here under a cloud due to misdemeanours back home. Barrett was a great player to use Wigan as an example but these were years ago (apart from Barba)
One of my best mates is Polish and doesn't really folllow RL. However he works with a lot of mad Wigan fans (I don't mean crazy I mean keen match going ones). The other day we were chatting about the WC and he asked if Field and French had been playing well for Australia as he knows they are good players from his work colleagues. He presumed they would be playing. I explained that they hadn't been selected. Trying to explain to him was strange as in his eyes they are 2 of the best in SL (they are of course) and yet if we are being honest would either make even a 40 man Australia squad? Would either start in the NRL?
This isn't being anti-Wigan by using these two as an example, you could argue Coote when he first signed for us would be the same.
The point I am making is that the depth of talent in Aus dwarfs ours. Now of course if a Nathan Cleary comes over here its a different story but its never going to happen for a whole host of reasons.'"
Spot-on.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"The starting point should be schools.'"
If only league was played in schools nationwide, eh? Is that a pipe-dream, or should campaigning towards that be one of the RFL's biggest objectives?
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| Quote moto748="moto748"If only league was played in schools nationwide, eh? Is that a pipe-dream, or should campaigning towards that be one of the RFL's biggest objectives?'"
Nationwide? There's no chance of that when there's schools in Wigan where RL isn't played, especially at junior school level. From my experience it all depends on the background of the PE teacher, if they are 'football' or 'rugby'. If its rugby then lessons tend to be split, if its football then rugby tends to get pushed out completely.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Nationwide? There's no chance of that when there's schools in Wigan where RL isn't played, especially at junior school level. From my experience it all depends on the background of the PE teacher, if they are 'football' or 'rugby'. If its rugby then lessons tend to be split, if its football then rugby tends to get pushed out completely.'"
I know even when I was a lad at Mornington High in Hindley we only had Union as the PE teacher played union.I dont know about now though.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"The starting point should be schools.'"
All my mates played for Thomas More in the early sixties I attended Gidlow School Beech Hill they only played football we asked could we have a Rugby team as we had over 20 interested head master said no chance.
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| Quote moto748="moto748"If only league was played in schools nationwide, eh? Is that a pipe-dream, or should campaigning towards that be one of the RFL's biggest objectives?'"
Pipe dream.
The focus needs to be on driving kids towards community clubs because the schools system is as bad as it has ever been and getting worse by the day.
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| Some obvious points coming up, but they need making. Rugby League is a shambles. There is no money in it.
Many “fans” seem to be unconcerned with anything more than 5 miles from their home. Super League clubs are allowed to play in dirty and ramshackle grounds. There is very little in the way of career progression, as some teams have little or nothing in the way of academies. Most club sponsors seem to be small local businesses, as they have always been. I don’t think much has really changed since I started watching in 1966. I’m not trolling here, there are many individuals in the game who are talented and work incredibly hard, but the general parochial attitude means they get nowhere. The Aussies have a structured development path. Also,In the USA, I lived in a small town of 25,000 people just outside Memphis Tenn some years ago. The high school played (American) Football on Friday nights and 10,000 people came to watch. There was something for everyone to get involved with, players, band, cheerleaders, ground staff, admin, food vendors etc etc all being volunteers. For the best players, there was progression to College football at various levels, and for elite College players, the professional leagues. They had a structure. When I was in Texas just before the pandemic, there was the same set up. The funny thing is, I’m not particularly a US football fan, but I’m an admirer of their structure and organisation. Will RL ever get near this level of organisation and structure?
Not long as humans have a hole in their bottoms, I suspect.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Pipe dream.
The focus needs to be on driving kids towards community clubs because the schools system is as bad as it has ever been and getting worse by the day.'"
I agree with that, but something has to change. It is hard to get kids to go to community clubs if they have no experience of the game, the RFL need to get off their backsides and get coaches, players etc. into the school environment.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"I agree with that, but something has to change. It is hard to get kids to go to community clubs if they have no experience of the game, the RFL need to get off their backsides and get coaches, players etc. into the school environment.'"
What seems to be the issue is PE teachers either not wanting to put the extra effort in or not understanding/knowing the game so they favour sports they do know….football.
My sons school had a history of annual tours to Australia, his age group have 13 players on scholarship all at the school…the school has had a change of staff and now there is no rugby league at the school. This is a school that up to 5 years ago was producing top SL players and took great pride in that.
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| Meaningful, regular international fixtures are the only way to expand.
Have a product that goes beyond NW club games and develops interest nationwide as only internationals will do.
This will drive up a sponsorhip, increase revenue, feed it back into the game,. Interest at a national level develops local interest and support, more players encouraged to play.
More funding from international then use to support developing grass roots.
We've seen from TV audiences in the WC people are interested in international fixtures.
Union only really started to grow at club level when they started their WC competition, and expanded their internationals beyond 6 nations. They have regular autumn internationals, 6 nations and a WC and a huge audience for all.
Our random approach to internationals doesn't allow sponsorship deals, TV rights any chance of developing beyond a ah - hoc piecemeal approach.
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| The problem with Internationsals is who is going to play, England v France doesn't really generate much excitement when it has been tried and England v Wales, Scotland or Ireland even less at present and there is no way Aus & NZ will travel on a regular basis as the interest does not seem to be there from them. Getting meningful international fixtures is incredibly difficult. In RU the home nationals are very competitive and France as well are a top team, TV is not interested in one sided, poorly supported RL "internationals" where one side racks up a high score against the others.
The RLWC has generated a level of interest but capitalising on that is difficult and it is hard to see how this can be taken forward before that interest fades away as there is nothing obvious in place already.
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