Shock horror everyone else thinks it's a bad one Wigan fans think it was careless n accidental.....

Just what I think.
I saw Ben Flower lead with the point of his elbow into the head of a player without the ball in a vulnerable position. I don't think it is normal to lead with the point of the elbow when charging down a kick and therefore it was deliberate.
Feel free to hold a different opinion....

Couldn't agree more. You lot always over react with anything to do with Wigan such is your determination to convince yourselves we are the root of all evil. Interestingly Tony Smith (and for the avoidance of doubt I'm referring to the Tony Smith who coaches Warrington) described the sending off as 'harsh'.

I stand my my opinion that it was careless. There was direct contact with the head therefore I've no problem with the red, 2 - 3 games. Earlier in the season it would have been 3, this time of year the diciplinary historically are more lenient (which is something I disagree with) therefore he could end up with 2 or even 1 as he saw red.

Currie on Powell was worse. In fact, far worse.

Should he be burnt at the stake or will they let him off with a day in the stocks ?

I think he'll get four games. If this was his first offence he'd probably get 3 but it's not.
Imagine if he got two games, returned for the GF and had another brain explosion. I think the panel will ensure this can't happen.

Great to see all the usual suspects on here.

Equally great to know how peeved they all that this time, Flower's sending off didn't gift the opposition victory.

I've seen some on the Wire board. Apparently Sky wanted us to win so next weeks Hull/Wire game wasn't a dead rubber.

Shock horror lets ignore the knee to the wigan players head and the shoulder charge on Tierney

To be fair my point can be switched to any sending off very rarely will the supporters of the player sent off accept, admit it was as bad as xan be perceived same as opposition fans will always make out it was worse than it was.

Don't think that curries was as bad as made out either, I've said it before n say it again the rfl are failing the players in jot offering any protection to them in instances like curries n the general desperation to prevent a try that happens every week are we going to have to wait for a severe injury or worse before they take player safety seriously. I don't want the game nerfed or softened whatsoever bur I don't want the players facing unnecessary risks to their health.


Careless is just as bad as intentional for me and should not be allowed as a mitigating factor.

Remember the Widnes game where K Brown was penalised multiple times for high tackles, and there were others?

Where as the outrage for that? Long bans etc.

Only 3 games left so id imagine gone for the year

Surely he should be put on a piece of toast and grilled.

I can't agree with this. If you apply that to the Flower incident, by careless I mean he was going to put pressure on the kicker, turned his back as the ball was kicked and stuck an arm up and caught him with the elbow in the head. If it were intentional he would have been looking where he was targeting and applied a lot more force. Patten would not have got up again. There has to be a difference between the two.