I agree at the moment it isn't good enough, but he is a good enough player, as he has proved. That is dependent on the props doing their jobs well enough to lessen the need for him to take every second carry. He is knackered and that leads to poor decision making, surely you must see that?

If Wane likes a trier then he's not the only one is he? Give me a team full of triers and I will make something.

Yes waiting for Clubb is an indictment of the rest, but he is our best prop - no question, though as I said I could name at least a dozen better in Super League.

Agree with the general consensus here; for me, it's not primarily *about* our centres, or even our halves. Until we get some proper forwards, we're on a hiding to nothing.

Just on halves, a lot of people are saying, we must have an experienced half, Brough or similar. Yet in the NRL, plenty of teams are going with young half-backs these days: Moses and Brooks at the Tigers, Austin and Williams at the Raiders, Moses Mbye is keeping Origin half Hodkinson out the side at the Bulldogs... Not to mention Shaun Johnson at the Warriors. Difference is, of course, these guys are all playing behind proper packs.

I just hope we haven't thrown all our cash at Tomkins because going to the Warriors has set him back about 3 years...
Hopefully there's some cash left in the kitty to boost the forward dept, because Mossop, Patrick and Crosby can all do one imo. Still can't believe we resigned Mossop - he was poor and an injury liability before he left - I can count the number of blinding games he's had in his whole career on one hand...

I'd hope Tomkins moves to halfback when he returns. I wouldn't underestimate just how much difference he'll make to your attack next year.

Its weird how quickly views change. When you beat Leeds at MM wasn't your pack all over ours? Wouldn't be surprised to see the same again this week.

I don't think so. Just cos we don't see him scoring length of the field tries like he did in SL only proves that NRL defences are tougher, not that he's a worse player.










Me too!

Time for change?
Time for improvement, especially our away form.

You can have change without improvement but you can't have improvement without change.

I've been talking about that magic game a lot over the last few weeks and how people thought after the game that we'd played well but I disagreed. I thought the effort was pretty good but we we're awful with the ball in Leeds half and we had to rely on individual brilliance and large chunks of luck to get us over the line.

One thing I would say the game told us is just how massive John Bateman is for us. He is the only forward who looks like he wants to follow Micky Mac and take it to the opposition. He'll be a big positive on Thursday as will Clubb. Will they be enough to carry the bags of wind that Mossop, Flower, Crosby and Patrick are? Doubtful!!

Wigan's best player at the Magic weekend was Ash Handley!