Dont make me laugh, no coach sits down at the start of the year and says "I want to finish top", they want to win the Grand final, the showpiece event that matters. Quite frankly, like many others, im just sick of his constant bu1l that he comes out with in the press.

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Without SKY money RL would be bancrupt at least Super League has improved the facilities at grounds with ground improvements etc .

What last night has proven (again) is that there is no real reason to strive to win the regular season. A top four finish is sufficient (and Leeds are proving that even that is not necessary). What IS the point of the regular season then?

IL has recently been singing the praises of the playoff system. I can only presume, therefore, that his intention was to win the playoffs, yet his coach seems to have peaked the team in April, not October.

Wigan have been a poor team for the last month or so, last night was not a freak loss.

No worries Brett. I was always a huge fan of yours as a player....

PS Hugely disappointing last night. Wane took a big gamble on Murphy which ultimately backfired but we haven't been playing well for some time and I worried even if we had scraped past Leeds there was a nasty experience awaiting us at Old Trafford and I'd rather lose to Leeds in a semi than Wire or Saints at Old Trafford.

I was hugely sceptical about Wane's appointment and after one season, he has provided pros one week and cons the next. I am inclined to judge him on next year when the team will be more demonstrably "his" and he has the opportunity to prove he has learned from the inevitable errors he was always going to make in his first year. Some canny recruitment is still needed and we need to clue ourselves up on how to structure a challenge over a season. Noble, for his faults, was good at getting a lesser team to peak at the business end and in Union Wasps under Shaun Edwards and Warren Gatland were always ready for the play offs seeing league position as largely a means to an end. Finishing first is not that big an advantage under the current system, every year Leeds show the importance of your main players turning up for big games and having a grizzled, battle hardened pack

Absolutely spot on and something I have pointed out throughout the season.

What beggars belief is that if you and I can see it, why can't the Wigan coaching staff and the Chairman?

A lot of you are very quick at calling for Waynes head but he isn't the one on the field. Wigan have been very good this year but it's the same old pie tune, No trophy sack the coach. O'Loughlin for me was quiet again last night. Not the first time he has had a quiet important game. To not have two major players in your line up for such a high preasure match was a very hard task and Leeds knew it. They marked Finch out of the game and their defence was awesome. I personally don't think that your current pack it upto the task. That added to the fact that Leeds backs - from full back to scrum half - are probably the best young set in SL and were well drilled added to last nights defeat. I would give Mr Wayne another year and if nothing happens then get rid but it's his first year and I personally think he will come good. You can't really say that you have had a bad year , can you?

We haven't won anything and our approach to the season seems to have been to peak in April.

Next year looks bleak at the moment as we are going to be much weaker without some really good signings.

I think that counts as a pretty bad year.

I mean semi final.

Hey you had a bad game, two or three key pieces of the jigsaw missing, that makes a big difference. Leeds scored one break away try, other than that did they look like scoring, not really. You looked a little lost going forward,Mcalorum was a huge miss for you, but i thought you were unlucky.

Funny how so many of you are saying that you are now champions now when Warrington were not last season.

Im definately not. Im actually classing this season as trophyless.

Hilarious - and I'm a Cas fan so can't stand Leeds.

Exactly this. Mossop and Lima were woeful until about the 55th minute. Hock and Hansen were also lacking. Our forwards have got to step up.

Fact is that we got to two semis and were awful in 3 of the 4 halves played. And the mentality of getting to a semi is alright is not acceptable.