Wrong. This is quite simply a myth that has attempted to work its way into popular conciousness by dull repetition. Wigan have adopted spoiling tactics in the tackle and at the play the ball with monotonous regularity. This nonsense that they somehow do it legally, whilst everyone else around them cheats is just daft and anyone save the most afflicted Cyclops fan can recognise that.

ALL teams attempt to slow down the ptb. Wigan do so by using the same methods as everyone else. This holier than thou stance just won't cut it.

So, was it Huddersfield "lying on" that caused Wigan to...

1) Place nearly every kick with lazer-like accuracy down throat of the defence, giving Hudds a good 5-8 meter start on their exit sets?

2) Drop the ball in key postions quite often?

3) Throw wild passes that hit the floor on more than one occasion?

4) Look unfit, slow & generally a yard off the pace?

5) Make our prop forward, who has only been back in training a matter of days, step round your fb & leave him on the ground in a heap to score the match-winning try?

And so on and so forth...I can't be bothered to type out any more.

As I said before, you were beaten by a better team on the day, that's the top & tail of it. And it's only round one for goodness sake.

But no, there will always be that certain sort of fan who will say the other side cheated, the ref did us etc etc instead of just saying the other team played harder, better and wanted it more.

Hudds deserved that victory, Wigan didn't, whether you like it or not.

I think 99% of posters on here would agree

Spot on. The negative attitude from Wigan fans defys belief at times both on the terraces and on this very forum. I really do believe that there is a few Wigan fans who think we have the devine right to win every game and for whatever reason wo do not win a match its either the refs fault or a complete knee jerk reaction and for certain players to be axed.

Just one game ffs and it was a tough one too. Bring on the Rhino's!

If you can find anywhere where I have said Huddersfield did not deserve to win you might have a point but you won't so you don't.

My observations are just that. Observations that Huddersfield were lying on whe defending and getting away with it and given they were it was up to Wigan to deal with it which they didn't.

What Hudersfield didn't do was slow the PTB down the way Wigan [ulearned[/u to do under Madge which is all to do with the tackle, not lying on, which is why it was rarely penalised (and which I have no doubnt is why it gets up other fans noses). Only a blind fan can't tell the difference between lying on and holding the tackle up. It only doesn't cut it with people such as yourself who can't tell the difference or more likely don't want to see it. As I have said Hudds had a game plan and stuck too it and it paid off.

Yes we need to improve in certain departments but its only one game and I think we can get much better and more dominant but we do need to sort the halves, we need a decent kicking game urgently!

Right so bending the rules is alright if you LEARN to do it.

So when your number one spends a lot of time holding players down when they have tackled him to get a penalty that is alright because he LEARNED how to do it.
Some would say that your use of dummy runners pushed the obstruction rule to the limit but then again if they LEARNED to do it , that is alright.
When Lima comes in asthe third man on a standing players knees that is alright because hebLEARNED to do it.

Go give your head a shake Dave.

All teams and players utilise whatever advantage they can get. Wigan have mastered it

"Physician, heal thyself."

Only the most blinkered Huddersfield fan would deny that they came with the intention to lie on in the tackle as long as they possibly could to slow the pace of the game down. It was a blatantly obvious tactic and one that was fairly predictable.

They did nothing wrong though. In fact they did everything right. They played to the refs whistle and knew exactly what they could get away with. That's exactly what they should have been doing and they did it well.

Wigan try to do something similar by keeping the players upright for as long as possible before bringing the player down. It's not the same as lying on in the tackle, but it has the same intention.

The question from a Wigan point of view is why the team were not as effective as they were last year at slowing the ruck.

Huddersfield did nothing wrong and got the tactics spot on, whereas Wigan were pretty poor at something that the very same players were good at last season.

i will never forget the moment when prop forward larne patrick side stepped the best paid player in the sl with consumate ease



an excellent performance from the giants considering they had 7 first teamers missing

an early wake up call for coach wane who has stated that he never saw that coming

Wigan should have been smart enough to see what Huddersfield were getting away with and then followed suit, that lack of thinking on our feet and inability to change tack cost us.
It's not as if it's a tactic that require's meticulous preparation. A message should have been sent down to do exactly the same as Huddersfield were doing, as soon as it became evident what the Giants game was.

Huddersfield were better and thoroughly deserved their win. To start blaming the referee and Huddersfield for lying on is just sour grapes. All teams lie on, or at least should do, for as long as they can and it is part and parcle of the game.

That's all I've been saying all along. Hudds do it. Wigan do it. Every team does whatever they can to slow the ptb down. Just as most teams try to hold the tackler up to achieve the same end. Wigan & Madge didn't invent that, loads of teams did it before & will continue to do so afterwards.