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Quote: AJ "Wow, thats a pretty big opinion to form based on what you think and frankly it makes you look like an idiot.'"

Me and thousands of other fans. I'm not one to blindly jump on bandwagons but you've got to admit he hardly looks interested at all. How can anyone improve at anything without putting in hard work? God knows what he's like in training when he doesn't have everyone on his back to do some work. I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent or that he's fighting fit, but he just doesn't look bothered. I wish I could put Ainscough's heart in that body.

As for the name calling, don't lump me in with the clowns in the stands who look for someone to blame every week, because they irritate me on match day too.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Here's the real question.

How many times have you seen Karl Pryce play this season?

How many times have I seen Karl Pryce play this season?

Who is the best to judge?'"


The answer to that is very simple. The person who judges him on his appearances in the first team, where it counts, not playing against junior players in the reserves which I am sure your "How many times have you seen Karl Pryce play this season ." is based on.

In other words you claiming some profound incite into the ultimate value of players based on how well they go in the reserves is nonsense.

I have no axe to grind v KP on Friday but I do think your "I know best because I watch the reserves" opinion is worthless.

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Quote: Grimmy "Me and thousands of other fans. I'm not one to blindly jump on bandwagons but you've got to admit he hardly looks interested at all. How can anyone improve at anything without putting in hard work? God knows what he's like in training when he doesn't have everyone on his back to do some work. I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent or that he's fighting fit, but he just doesn't look bothered. I wish I could put Ainscough's heart in that body.

As for the name calling, don't lump me in with the clowns in the stands who look for someone to blame every week, because they irritate me on match day too.'"


Pryce might come good yet? as for name calling from AJ I would just ignore as both AJ and his side kick RHJ are well known for it. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Jukesays "Was thinking of starting a "Scapegoat of the week" Thread!!!!!!!

You don't have to be a genius to work out that since they can't blame Mathers, Roberts is proving that he is the better winger ATM over Ainscough, Piggy's doing quite well, Bailey's doing nothing different than he has always done but now is being appreciated for the player he always was and they've finally given up on Crucifying O'Loughlin then "Who Else" are they going to have a pop at!!!!

Just a shame BN wasn't interviewed and said "Wigan" instead of "We" and then he could have been crucified instead of Pryce!
Ridell/Fielden/Pryce and Bailey have no hope with half of our blinkered fans

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Quote: bazdev "Ridell/Fielden/Pryce and Bailey have no hope with half of our blinkered fans'"


Don't forget Roberts too icon_rolleyes.gif

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but I do think your "I know best because I watch the reserves" opinion is worthless.

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I thought KP did ok with what he was presented with. But your logic is flawed with regard to watching the reserves. Your logic suggests that performing well in the reserves is irrelevant which it is not. Otherwise what would be the point of a reserves setup?

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Quote: DaveO "The answer to that is very simple. The person who judges him on his appearances in the first team, where it counts, not playing against junior players in the reserves which I am sure your "How many times have you seen Karl Pryce play this season ." is based on.

Brian Noble then??

I take it that logic will then flow through to the Who should BN pick in each position throughout the team as He works with them day in day out and his the best placed to make those judgements that you think your better at making through your keyboard Post After Post!


In other words you claiming some profound incite into the ultimate value of players based on how well they go in the reserves is nonsense.

Why? Because his opinions don't always match yours???
Your opinions are nearly always worhtless but you have the right to them and others have the right to disagree.
I believe yours and others "Attitiude" to many things at the club fuels many of the Anti- Noble/Roberts/Riddell etc feelings that run through the many of the fans on here & I don't believe you do it neccesarily for the good of the club.
But Hey, you carry on Dave, I don't know if you realise how much of an opinionated Pompous Know it all you come across as but if that's the way you want to be then fair enough.



I have no axe to grind v KP on Friday but I do think your "I know best because I watch the reserves" opinion is worthless.

Perfect example of what I said above!

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Quote: DaveO "The answer to that is very simple. The person who judges him on his appearances in the first team, where it counts, not playing against junior players in the reserves which I am sure your "How many times have you seen Karl Pryce play this season ." is based on.

In other words you claiming some profound incite into the ultimate value of players based on how well they go in the reserves is nonsense.

I have no axe to grind v KP on Friday but I do think your "I know best because I watch the reserves" opinion is worthless.

Dave'"


Dave,
When I watch the reserves I expect first team squad players to appear to be better than the junior players, both for Wigan and the team they are playing against.

Pryce for all his laid back attitude does.
Sam Tomkins does.
Liam Farrell does.
Ainscough on the other hand doesn't.

From behind your pc you may wish to disagree, but don't try to belittle people who :-

a) disagree with you
b) watch lower grade (and enjoy it) and comment on what they see.

Come down and watch a few games, you may enjoy it, and then feel free to comment on players performances.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Dave,
When I watch the reserves I expect first team squad players to appear to be better than the junior players, both for Wigan and the team they are playing against.

Pryce for all his laid back attitude does.
Sam Tomkins does.
Liam Farrell does.
Ainscough on the other hand doesn't.

From behind your pc you may wish to disagree, but don't try to belittle people who

You know my opinions on Ainscough, just wondered what your thoughts were on something i have posted on another thread regards his attitude to playing at a lower level?

I feel he does not always enter the field in the right frame of mind for lower team competition. He is a hyped up kind of player to be at his best he needs to be bouncing up and down the sideline barking out the orders etc, from what i have seen in some reserve grade games he seems flat and this is when he fails to perform, i think he fails to sometimes be able to motivate himself for that level of comp, not something i condone but seems to me to be the case.

As someone who has seen him at that level much more than me would be interested to know your thoughts.

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Quote: jonh "You know my opinions on Ainscough, just wondered what your thoughts were on something i have posted on another thread regards his attitude to playing at a lower level?

I feel he does not always enter the field in the right frame of mind for lower team competition. He is a hyped up kind of player to be at his best he needs to be bouncing up and down the sideline barking out the orders etc, from what i have seen in some reserve grade games he seems flat and this is when he fails to perform, i think he fails to sometimes be able to motivate himself for that level of comp, not something i condone but seems to me to be the case.

As someone who has seen him at that level much more than me would be interested to know your thoughts.'"


Jonh,
There are no problems with his enthusiasm even at reserve level. He makes me smile.

You can hear him shouting from the wing "give it to him, belt him" to his forwards.

He has been playing on the right wing in the reserves, and Wigan being very much a left sided team perhaps doesn't see as much ball.

Yesterday, he did have a poor game, missed a few tackles, let one ball bounce which almost resulted in a try, and threw a shocker of a pass that which resulted in us not scoring a try that would have wrapped up the match.

As a first team squad player, playing at a lower level he should be better than that.

However, on the plus side he took a couple of high kicks and ran the ball in enthusiastically.

He is still an exciting player and will come good, I have no doubt about that, but IMO he is third in line for the wing spot on current form.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Jonh,
There are no problems with his enthusiasm even at reserve level. He makes me smile.

You can hear him shouting from the wing "give it to him, belt him" to his forwards.

He has been playing on the right wing in the reserves, and Wigan being very much a left sided team perhaps doesn't see as much ball.

Yesterday, he did have a poor game, missed a few tackles, let one ball bounce which almost resulted in a try, and threw a shocker of a pass that which resulted in us not scoring a try that would have wrapped up the match.

As a first team squad player, playing at a lower level he should be better than that.

However, on the plus side he took a couple of high kicks and ran the ball in enthusiastically.

He is still an exciting player and will come good, I have no doubt about that, but IMO he is third in line for the wing spot on current form.'"



I agree I do think Roberts has been good value of late and worth his spot.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Dave,
When I watch the reserves I expect first team squad players to appear to be better than the junior players, both for Wigan and the team they are playing against.

Pryce for all his laid back attitude does.
Sam Tomkins does.
Liam Farrell does.
Ainscough on the other hand doesn't.

From behind your pc you may wish to disagree, but don't try to belittle people who

Personally I have found from the reserves that you take it all with a pinch of salt. It is a poor poor level of rugby and if they can stand out at that level it has no bearing on whether they will make it at Wigan or even SL level.

Obviously you get one or two like S Tomkins where it is obvious they are going to make it but I think overall it gives very little indication on how good the players are/can be.

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Quote: - Neil - "Personally I have found from the reserves that you take it all with a pinch of salt. It is a poor poor level of rugby and if they can stand out at that level it has no bearing on whether they will make it at Wigan or even SL level.

Obviously you get one or two like S Tomkins where it is obvious they are going to make it but I think overall it gives very little indication on how good the players are/can be.'"


I agree, but what I'm saying is that I've never seen a player who is poor at reserve level look to be good first team player.

That is the reason why I asked Lenagan about setting up a "scholarship" in Australia for our better youngsters. Let them get tested out there os loaned out to other SL / Div 1 clubs.

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Having watched the game again this afternoon, Pryce went well, he didn't do anything wrong and looked to me like a player with more game time under his belt who could do very well for us.

Certainly would like to see us persist with him instead of bringing Goulding back.

Looked for work, celebrated with team and looked to be fully focused on the job in hand.

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Get rid of Pryce and bring Goulding back. Goulding is twice the player Pryce will ever be IMHO.

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