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| Quote Brick with eyes="Brick with eyes"Here’s a quote from ‘homesick’ Tomkins when he left NZ ......
“ I never expected I would miss England and the comforts of home but it took an off-season trip back to Wigan for me to realise this is where I wanted to be “
I’ve lost all respect for this fellow'"
Yes, France is the other side of the world
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| Good luck to him, no hard feelings from me. Hope he improves Catalans.
A shame that he spent most of his second stint here on the sidelines. I think it speaks volumes that everyone of the highlights in the video Catalans used to announce his signing are pre 2016.
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| Quote MadDogg="MadDogg"Good luck to him, no hard feelings from me. Hope he improves Catalans.
A shame that he spent most of his second stint here on the sidelines. I think it speaks volumes that everyone of the highlights in the video Catalans used to announce his signing are pre 2016.'"
That is a abit daft if they have. He's had his moments this season already. I am sure they could have found something more relevant.
No hard feeling from me either. If I'd signed a deal that said I'd get paid £X in 2019 if I was at the club and then the club asked me to take less even with a longer deal on offer I'd have gone looking elsewhere. If he'd have gone anyway because he genuinely does want to live in France then good for him.
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"I am saying there is a going rate for Sam Tomkins. If that is the same or more than when he was at his peak then that just reflects the market for players today. The dearth of talent available to SL will put the value of the few class players knocking about in SL up even if they are no longer at their peak when they can play as well as Sam T still can.'"
But as I've said previously Dave, it isn't his market value. It is the value one (and only one) team are prepared to pay. Given that that team is one with a long history of poor decisions when valuing players, even to the point of causing bitterness and unrest among their own squad, then to use this as some kind of yardstick to measure his worth borders on the insane. At best it's cutting your cloth according to the worst tailor on the row. If it was his market value there would be a clamour for his services at that price. There isn't. There's a reason for that.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"But as I've said previously Dave, it isn't his market value. It is the value one (and only one) team are prepared to pay. Given that that team is one with a long history of poor decisions when valuing players, even to the point of causing bitterness and unrest among their own squad, then to use this as some kind of yardstick to measure his worth borders on the insane. At best it's cutting your cloth according to the worst tailor on the row. If it was his market value there would be a clamour for his services at that price. There isn't. There's a reason for that.'"
Well said. ATEOTD, Leeds and Saints didn't come knocking, did they?
I really can't see who this "Marquee 7" people keep talking about is coming from. I can't think of any feasible candidates offhand, either here or in the NRL. We'll probably end up bringing one of our own lads through. Look at Richardson at Saints, he looks a really good kid, was he one of their own?
Anyway, I'm rather less down on Powell than many here, and we have Woods and Shorrocks, and maybe others too, to back him up.
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| Quote [Gareth="[Gareth"Yes, France is the other side of the world'"
Ask Scott Taylors missus about distances and homesickness
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| Quote moto748="moto748"Well said. ATEOTD, Leeds and Saints didn't come knocking, did they?
I really can't see who this "Marquee 7" people keep talking about is coming from. I can't think of any feasible candidates offhand, either here or in the NRL. We'll probably end up bringing one of our own lads through. Look at Richardson at Saints, he looks a really good kid, was he one of their own?
Anyway, I'm rather less down on Powell than many here, and we have Woods and Shorrocks, and maybe others too, to back him up.'"
Surely there are halfbacks in the NRL who would tear it up in SL. I get that we couldn't get anyone who is playing origin, but other than that surely it's just a case if offering enough to turn the players' head, we have a marquee spot after all, so there is less restriction than when we signed Lam, Richards, Barrett etc. In SL there is only Luke Gale I'd be trying to lure.
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| Obviously there are a few in the mid-way Jacob Miller/Albert Kelly category, but I can't really think of anyone we could entice who would massively strengthen us. I do rate Tyrone Roberts, but he hasn't pulled up any trees yet at Wire.
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| totally pee'd off...we could have got him another year and it wouldnt have affected the cap just cost us more. As for aussie halves theres non better than Green whos non origin, as for Hardaker he will be a flop if we dont get a class half back as he doesnt have the same rugby brain or skill set as Sam so needs that on his inside. If we persist with Powell then we may aswell not bother and start planning for middle 8's rugby.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"To those of us fortunate enough to have watched locally born star players who apparently signed for Wigan for life - Shaun Edwards (14 years), Steve Hampson (10 years), Any Farrell (13 years), Kris Radlinski (13 years) etc, only leaving when they were veterans - this kind of thing is a bitter pill to swallow.
But we just have to remember that the game is different now.
The current salary cap does not reward the wholesale development of homegrown talent. It does not reward clubs whose players go on to represent their country. It does not provide additional funding to help keep them out of the clutches of RU and NRL predators. It does not allow us to make the UK a more attractive place to play RL in than Australia or the South of France (venues that already have enormous natural advantages over us).
But we can't blame the players for that. Who wouldn't turn down swimming pool land, 8 months of guaranteed sunshine, and a very big payday?
If there's any annoyance with Sam it's that he hasn't been half the player we thought we were getting, he's been absent a lot of the time through injury, and he's never in the memory of man been marquee standard. But there's nothing to be done about that now. Anyone can get hurt, and all players who base their style on whippet-like speed are going to slow down at some point (he's 29, let's remember). Farrell and Hanley were shipped out as they approached 30, so there is a precedent for this.
Time to move on. Like Kris Rads said, big changes at the end of this season.'"
Good post....but what does the 1st paragraph have to do with Sam T?
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| Quote moto748="moto748"Obviously there are a few in the mid-way Jacob Miller/Albert Kelly category, but I can't really think of anyone we could entice who would massively strengthen us. I do rate Tyrone Roberts, but he hasn't pulled up any trees yet at Wire.'"
Or planted any.
However the sapling is growing.
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"totally pee'd off...we could have got him another year and it wouldnt have affected the cap just cost us more. As for aussie halves theres non better than Green whos non origin, as for Hardaker he will be a flop if we dont get a class half back as he doesnt have the same rugby brain or skill set as Sam so needs that on his inside. If we persist with Powell then we may aswell not bother and start planning for middle 8's rugby.'"
It may have cost us other players though as there would be no marquee spot to offer to another player or any wiggle room under the cap with whatever does count on Tomkins salary (plus any saving they’d make by moving another player in to the marquee slot). Having Tomkins for one year and him then leaving to add to a number of other exits this one year due to him staying would’ve been bad business.
The pressure is on Radlinski in particular now and in a big way. If Tomkins is followed out the door by Sutton, Gildart and Bateman then there will be an absolute storm blown up and it’ll be difficult for him to avoid a great deal of heat. On the flip side if he gets the younger lads tied down and Hardaker in then people will accept that this move may well be for the best.
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