not on this seasons efforts you are'nt

but we are and erm.... its a fact

Please explain what part of 'current' Superleague and world champions you don't understand. Oh, and your apostrophe is in the wrong place, the correct spelling is aren't.

Whether it was the wrong decision or not, you definitely can't say you lost the game as a result. Hull would have still been 2 points ahead, and the game is a completely different game. The Burgess try wouldn't have happened for a start, and as the game went past 70 minutes we started just kicking for corners and running the clock down. Who's to say that with just a one score lead we wouldn't have looked to be more positive and scored again ourselves. Equally you might have scored back to back tries and won, or you might have dropped it in the following set allowing us to re-establish our 8 point lead. Nobody could ever know how the game would have panned out.

I don't mind anyone saying it was the wrong call, but to suggest it cost you the game when you would have still trailed with 15 minutes left is silly. If you want something to blame, your very poor front row is a good place to start. Did FPN make a single metre after contact?

I think 'Surrender tackle specialist' is a legitimate position in Wigan packs. FPN takes over from Pettybourne and Lauaki before him. I wonder what Sims is up to?

I didnt as we are as this seasons still isnt decided......not hard really

Somebody on the Hull forum posted the metres made by the starting props of both teams.

Taylor - 136
Watts - 121
Frank Paul - 46
Clubb - 29


Or something like that. That's where your first changes need to be made

We see these comparisons on a regular basis unfortunately. It has to be down to tactics. Surely our props have more yards in them than that? I can only assume it is what Wane wants them to do. We have had plenty of success under Wane but the way our props are used drives me crazy.

I've posted countless times on here. We may as well play with an extra 2 back rowers. What is the point of having props that just tackle? And in FPN's case most of his tackles are around the legs, I don't think I've seen him do a bit hit since he joined us??? Sutton and TT are our only props that can carry well (most games they don't though) and our only props that can actually get over 100m in a game (not that that's even spectacular).

But why not play with no props and just have 2 back rowers there that can play 80 minutes and just tackle themselves to death?

It must have been a tactic. FPN for example in the first half, barely made any contact with a Hull player and went down on to his front. Called a surrender tackle, but jeez is virtually a voluntary tackle

He's done it all season mate, obviously being coached that way. Sad thing is when he does drive he can make metres and has a good offload in him. Complete waste of a jersey.

If he is, I just don't understand. Refs give defenders more time in the tackle if it's they call surrender don't they? This sort of defeats the object.

When the signing of 'The Wrecking Ball' was announced I googled 'Frank Paul The Wrecking Ball' expecting to see numerous NRL videos of him skittling defences. What i found was one video of him giving a penalty away after cheap shotting somebody on his way back to the defensive line. I knew right then he was going to be poop. I should have warned everybody , sorry

But on the other hand only one team looked liked scoring in those last 15 mins so I know my money would have been on a Wigan win. Doubly so given you'd only been able to match us try for try in the preceding 65 mins despite an overwhelming possession and field position advantage. I suppose you can argue whatever you like in the final analysis. What I do know, however, is we were robbed of 6 points in a game we lost by 4. Says it all really.