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Quote: bestie1983 "There is alot of speculation and from a lad who knows his family well this is what they are saying after he completed 12 months rehab and had urine and blood tests to see if he is clean he sat down with ian lenegan and signed a premlinary 5 yr deal with wigan which will run out on 2016 he will not be on anywhere near the wages he was on before at the start but his contract is subject to performance and appearance mr lenegan will not come out and anounce anything as he does not want to be seen condoling drug use. But wigan have been paying an ex royal marine to train with gaz for three days a week since his ban also all the rumours about the nrl canbarra raiders offered him a 12 month contract aswell as celtic crusaders and salford but he want to repay wigan and there fans

you heard it here first !!!!!!!'"

Whether its true or a load of blocks I just hope your closer to the truth than the OP. If G H can rejoin us next year half the player he left us then I for one will be a very happy bunny. Bigger than when he took his sabatical he is gonna be a monster,bring on the Hockster. k020.gif

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He trains with an ex royal marine for fitness only three days a week !!!!!! Dont know dont care what other training he does aslong as he makes it back on the field in a warriors shirt

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it's the 5 year contract part that stinks imo, why would a banned drug user out of the game for 2 year be awarded with a 5 year contract, world class players rarely get that amount and lets face it Hock certainly isn't world class eusa_think.gif

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Quote: Saint Simon "no banned player can sign for any team, preliminary or not so this is pointless. He has undoubtedly had discussions with lots of clubs, and he should, he was, and i presume still will be top class. The fact remains he cant sign for anyone until his ban expires.
I'm unclear about the issue of registration, but it WAS my understanding that a banned player cannot be registered.'"



Yes he could. See Matt Stevens case in RU, who was also banned for cocaine.

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... s-ban.html
Quote: Saint Simon "no banned player can sign for any team, preliminary or not so this is pointless. He has undoubtedly had discussions with lots of clubs, and he should, he was, and i presume still will be top class. The fact remains he cant sign for anyone until his ban expires.
I'm unclear about the issue of registration, but it WAS my understanding that a banned player cannot be registered.'"



Yes he could. See Matt Stevens case in RU, who was also banned for cocaine.

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... s-ban.html


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Quote: Baked Bean Boogie "it's the 5 year contract part that stinks imo, why would a banned drug user out of the game for 2 year be awarded with a 5 year contract, world class players rarely get that amount and lets face it Hock certainly isn't world class

Because although 5 years sounds like a reward, it may not be.

Imagine if he got a 2 year contract on an average squad player wage, after those 2 years (assuming he got back to the form he displayed beforehand) he could then command top dollar again from us, or any other club.

In a structured 5 year contract, his wage could be slowly built up year on year until after the 5 years it reaches a point at where he was before.

Obviously there would be clauses and stuff written into the contract, but he'd have to work harder and longer to get the top wage back.

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Given IL and the way he structures deals, id be stunned if this 5yr deal didnt totally cover Wigan in every way.

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Quote: bestie1983 "There is alot of speculation and from a lad who knows his family well this is what they are saying after he completed 12 months rehab and had urine and blood tests to see if he is clean he sat down with ian lenegan and signed a premlinary 5 yr deal with wigan which will run out on 2016 he will not be on anywhere near the wages he was on before at the start but his contract is subject to performance and appearance mr lenegan will not come out and anounce anything as he does not want to be seen condoling drug use. But wigan have been paying an ex royal marine to train with gaz for three days a week since his ban also all the rumours about the nrl canbarra raiders offered him a 12 month contract aswell as celtic crusaders and salford but he want to repay wigan and there fans

you heard it here first !!!!!!!'"



actually heard all that around 4 months back icon_thumb.gif

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Gaz Hock will be on a 5 year deal, not as a reward but as a punishment.

The common sense option is to give him a contract on a vastly reduced terms. However this is pointless if it just for 2 or even 3 years. If he performs at the level we know he can, he'll be off for far more at the end of that period. 5 years makes complete sense.

Fingers crossed it will also be subject to regular drug testing, and similar conditions.

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I'd love for Hock to come back to Wigan and in all honesty I think he probably will but if he doesn't it's no big deal tbh. We're not the same club that the lad left and if any player doesn't want to be part of this new set up then so be it. The club isn't in a position anymore where it is desperate for any good players it can get it's hands on. We can afford to pick and choose to an extent in the knowledge that not only do we have options to bring in quality but we also have the option of promoting real quality from within our own set up. We have some fantastic lads in the u20's and the good thing for them nowadays is that when they do come into this Wigan side they know they have quality all around them that now play as a team.

As I said i'd love to see Hock back but I won't be crying into my beer if he decides(or we do) not to.

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Have you all forgotten strict Visa rules in Australia?

A convicted "Drug cheat" (I disagree with that as cocaine isn't performance enhancing but thats for another debate) would never get a visa to play professional sport over there. Im pretty sure Mark Bosnich had trouble going back there during his and he's from Australia!

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Quote: hula89 "Have you all forgotten strict Visa rules in Australia?

A convicted "Drug cheat" (I disagree with that as cocaine isn't performance enhancing but thats for another debate) would never get a visa to play professional sport over there. Im pretty sure Mark Bosnich had trouble going back there during his and he's from Australia!'"



of course its performance enhancing, its also a narcotic and horribly addictive

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Quote: hula89 "Have you all forgotten strict Visa rules in Australia?

A convicted "Drug cheat" (I disagree with that as cocaine isn't performance enhancing but thats for another debate) would never get a visa to play professional sport over there. Im pretty sure Mark Bosnich had trouble going back there during his and he's from Australia!'"


It's been said before but the word "convicted" should apply to Hock's case as he was never convicted of any criminal offense following his failed drug test. Therefore unless he has any previous convictions that I don't know about he will have a clean criminal record. Whether the NRL will let him play following a failed drug test is another matter, although they don't seem to mind letting Greg Bird play following his assault case

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Quote: dirtbag83 "It's been said before but the word "convicted" should apply to Hock's case as he was never convicted of any criminal offense following his failed drug test. Therefore unless he has any previous convictions that I don't know about he will have a clean criminal record. Whether the NRL will let him play following a failed drug test is another matter, although they don't seem to mind letting Greg Bird play following his assault case'"


Yes but you have to be able to "offer something to Australia" and I think that a ban for drug use in sport will mean he fails this. I know my auntie wanted to go over and she was accepted as a high level nurse but her husband was rejected because they "dont need accountants" so I think if thats the case then I think he will struggle but ah well if they would allow it then fine.

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Quote: doc999 "of course its performance enhancing, its also a narcotic and horribly addictive'"



it isn't performance enhancing, it reduces coordination.

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Quote: doc999 "of course its performance enhancing, its also a narcotic and horribly addictive'"


I have a friend who got addicted to it a couple years ago. Trust me it ISNT performance enhancing. It gave him bi-polar disorder and made him incredibly lethargic. It is most certainly not performance enhancing. But as I said that wasnt the debate I was trying to have so save that for somewhere else. The point was that he would struggle to get a visa when they took the ban into account (assuming they can)

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