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Not one ex-player has come back and been anywhere near their previous level. Most are shadows of the player they were the first time. A disastrous strategy that has handcuffed the squad and salary cap. Lessons not being learned.

Whoever does our scouting and recruitment should resign.

It is nonsense to argue that because other returnees have failed that Sarginson will therefore fail. That argument defies any kind of logic. Surely each case has to be looked at in isolation.

Sam Tomkins has been injured, but showed good form towards the end of the season. He may move back to the halves and who knows, may provide the answer there.

Joe Burgess had a long spell playing out of position and suffered because the lads playing wing did well and didn't deserve to be dropped. But it affected Budgie badly. I wouldn't write him off yet. He needs a full season on the left wing before we can judge whether he has been a success.

Joel and Tommy have been poor. Joel because he hasn't been fully fit since he returned. I believe that he is still a good player. Tommy may do well in a different role.

So it may be too early to write off the returnees. Dan Sarginson was one of the main reasons we won in 2016. Do people have such short memories? I'd have though that at least he deserves a second chance. I don't blame him at all for moving from sunny Wigan to the Gold Coast, I mean, wouldn't you?

The joke club of Super League, Lenagan needs to sell up to somebody who has the vision to move us forward, i remember around the time he bought the club, an Oxford united fan came on here or the other site and forewarned us that this would happen, complete laughing stock, Ah Van would have been a better signing, at he can kick goals

If only he'd won something like the Super League, Challenge Cup or World Club Challenge then he'd be recognised as a good Chairman. I agree with you that we are the laughing stock, as this losing streak extends beyond the last decade it's getting totally ridiculous. Saints must be laughing their heads off at us after the success under McManus in the last five years. Wakefield, Salford, Huddersfield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR, Warrington and Catalans too.

Lenegan OUT.

I agree and I think that would be Radlinski. In this case if Sarginson does come back at his previous level, he will still be garbage. Can't pass and can't tackle.

Hardly garbage was he?

You don’t get selected for England if you’re garbage. You don’t light up a Grand Final if you’re garbage. I prefer him at fullback to centre but that’s the beauty of him. You can play him anywhere across the back line and he’ll do you a job.

It’s just crazy isn’t it?!

The Oxford United fans told us so...ha ha! I don’t know how much involvement he’s had with them but I doubt we’re in the same boat. Maybe they aren’t happy but they’ve not won every major honour in the game over Lenagans time at the club so maybe they’ll have a point being vexed.

It really frustrates me when I hear anyone question Lenagans position as owner of this club. The people who do that should let their minds drift back to the 2005 and 2006 seasons and have a think what they prefer.

He is rubbish. How he got selected for England I will never know. I doubt it will happen again unless Wane gets the England job. I was even more surprised when he got a gig with an Aussie club but I am not surprised he's been told by them he'd struggle to get a game with them going forward. I am sure they are as grateful we took him off their hands as I was when he went to join then. When he left no one gave a monkey's and for good reason. He is just speedier version of Gelling in that he has no rugby brain. He passes to his winger about once a season and his defence is awful.

Meanwhile Les Cats sign this player rlhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/42323094rl

He was garbage and still is garbage, we couldn't wait to off load him when the NRL came sniffing around and the supporters were glad to see him go. If you call putting a kick through for the winger to score as lighting up a grand final then yes lets credit him for that however his constant errors and total lack of creativity in games throughout his tenure with Wigan would indicate that one swallow definitely doesn't make a summer.
There has been some garbage playing for England over the years, why do you think we are only 3rd ranked in the world.

Not bad for someone who can't pass or tackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laWP1hfuFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJGcfiNXhU Someone else has said that he's injury prone, I don't recall him missing that many games for Wigan although I must admit the shoulder injury is a big concern. What's someone signing a fullback got to do with Wigan signing a centre. Castleford have signed Corey Ashton and Jamie Ellis!! Also Catalan have released half their team so had plenty salary cap space available.

Not bad for someone who can't pass or tackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laWP1hfuFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJGcfiNXhU Someone else has said that he's injury prone, I don't recall him missing that many games for Wigan although I must admit the shoulder injury is a big concern. What's someone signing a fullback got to do with Wigan signing a centre. Castleford have signed Corey Ashton and Jamie Ellis!! Also Catalan have released half their team so had plenty salary cap space available.

I'm with you. Anyone saying he is garbage needs to give their head a wobble.

For some folk you are either good or garbage, no in between. Still that's the internet I suppose. Extremes of thought masquerade as opinion.

I don't think either of us are saying he is the next Eric Ashton or Dean Bell, but for heavens sake no way is he 'garbage', just an above average pro who will put a shift in for the cause.

Did his subsequent performances not give you any hints? He had a blinder against Australia

Blimey. The Scrooge wannabes are out in force already & it's still 2 weeks to gluttony. Let alone 2 months to the season start. If this time next year we're looking forward to playing Barrow & Whitehaven then I'll concede being a happy-clapper isn't all it's made out to be, but FFS you lot, lighten up.