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| Quote: NickyKiss "There is a part of me that thinks that about Burgess too. He's a Wigan lad who's spoke about his immense pride in turning out for the first team and he's jumped ship at the very first opportunity.
Guys like Tomkins x2 and Mossop gave us 5 or 6 good years service and won plenty before moving on. This kids won nowt and has had one good season.
I doubt the club will burn their bridges but it feels more Chris Ashton then Sam Tomkins at the minute.'"
I think that post will sum up most people's views.
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| Id be interested to know if fans were given more detail about Burgess at the forum tonight, did we fight to try and keep him or were we happy to see him walk?
Im finding it difficult to be critical of the player without knowing what was on the table.
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| Quote: dany1979 "Id be interested to know if fans were given more detail about Burgess at the forum tonight, did we fight to try and keep him or were we happy to see him walk?
Im finding it difficult to be critical of the player without knowing what was on the table.'"
Radlinski is quoted on Sky Sports website as saying Wigan did everything they could to keep him.
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| Quote: dany1979 "Id be interested to know if fans were given more detail about Burgess at the forum tonight, did we fight to try and keep him or were we happy to see him walk?
Im finding it difficult to be critical of the player without knowing what was on the table.'"
I read somewhere earlier that it was said Rads sat down with him after the Leigh friendly last year (before his seasons exploits) to offer him a new deal and he said then he'd already made his mind up to move to Sydney.
If that's true I guess he may well have been spotted on the academy tour to Oz he went on a couple of years back and offered a deal then.
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| Can't blame him, I would do the same.
He has to look out for himself and doesn't owe us anything. Too much sentiment doesn't get you very far in life.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "There is a part of me that thinks that about Burgess too. He's a Wigan lad who's spoke about his immense pride in turning out for the first team and he's jumped ship at the very first opportunity.
Guys like Tomkins x2 and Mossop gave us 5 or 6 good years service and won plenty before moving on. This kids won nowt and has had one good season.
I doubt the club will burn their bridges but it feels more Chris Ashton then Sam Tomkins at the minute.'"
I'd agree with that. He says its the lifestyle but its probably the money as well (I doubt he will be on peanuts).
I can't help thinking it is in any players interest to be a bit older and a bit more experienced before considering the move anyway. At his age another three years here then with the extra experience not to say maturity as a person he could probably name his price and have had the satisfaction of hopefully winning a challenge cup or gf with Wigan as well as being probably better equipped for the move.
I think it is pretty serious for the sport never mind Wigan if it isn't attractive enough to keep hold of such a young player in the most famous team in the sport who has not won a thing. Who is next?
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| Quote: Wigg'n "Can't blame him, I would do the same.
He has to look out for himself and doesn't owe us anything. Too much sentiment doesn't get you very far in life.'"
You're right. But with no sentiment you might go far but one day you'll look back and realise you didn't pick up many friends along the way.
He's done the wrong thing. Australia would still have been there in 3 years.
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| Quote: DaveO "I'd agree with that. He says its the lifestyle but its probably the money as well (I doubt he will be on peanuts).
I can't help thinking it is in any players interest to be a bit older and a bit more experienced before considering the move anyway. At his age another three years here then with the extra experience not to say maturity as a person he could probably name his price and have had the satisfaction of hopefully winning a challenge cup or gf with Wigan as well as being probably better equipped for the move.
I think it is pretty serious for the sport never mind Wigan if it isn't attractive enough to keep hold of such a young player in the most famous team in the sport who has not won a thing. Who is next?'"
I've said it before. Rugby league cannot compete with nrl and ru and all this sham about a new era is just a rebranding exercise to mask the fact that the sport cannot keep hold of it's marquee players
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| Quote: lemonhead "I've said it before. Rugby league cannot compete with nrl and ru and all this sham about a new era is just a rebranding exercise to mask the fact that the sport cannot keep hold of it's marquee players'"
If it was a rebranding exercise that would imply those doing it know there is a problem and so as you say are deliberately trying to mask it. I don't think they are that clever.
As far as I can see they have their head in the sand and they genuinely think their "whole game" approach with the Sky money spread across 26 clubs to varying degrees is a good thing and if anyone mentions the NRL or RU it's hands on ears and "I am not listening" time.
Despite the fact the TV rights were not put to tender (stupid mistake) with the money they did get had they accepted the inevitable which is it was enough to fund a full time league of 12 teams it would have literally doubled the clubs salary caps. Still less than the NRL but it would still have been enough to be able to offer the best players enough in wages to make it expensive for NRL sides to take them and then fit them under [itheir[/i salary cap given they obviously pay pretty close it it already with their existing players.
So the sad thing is it was possible to address the competition at least to a degree but they have deliberately chosen to leave the sport open to what is turning out to be a player drain. What was it, 7 of England's first team were Oz based in the Internationals? Can only see that number increasing and then I am not sure what the attraction of watching England will be and the standard of the domestic game????.
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| I'd go as well if I was him. Can't blame him at all. If he hadn't signed a deal with them already, then got an injury and lost his place to Manfredi in the season coming, the chance to play in the NRL could be a long time coming. Hope he rips it up.
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| Wish the lad well and hope to see him in an England shirt lifting the world cup
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| Quote: maurice "Wish the lad well and hope to see him in an England shirt lifting the world cup'"
Controversial but an England coach who only picks players based in the UK might be an idea. Aussies won't come here regardless of money if their rep career is jeopardized. I think there were 7 ex-pat England players in the first 17 last time out. If it gets to 13 I think it would be a farce (and it could..).
Years ago I cheered on the likes of G Schofield, Lee Crooks and J Davies playing for GB. Not from my team but I knew who they were and what they could do. I am not sure I could be as enthusiastic about a team of ex-pats representing England or GB.
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| Quote: MadDogg "You're right. But with no sentiment you might go far but one day you'll look back and realise you didn't pick up many friends along the way.
He's done the wrong thing. Australia would still have been there in 3 years.'"
Three years is a very long time in a RL career.
Rather this than the ru and as much as it pains, he's showing ambition and will be playing in the world's best competition.
Nobody says players should spend another three years with lower league clubs out of gratitude when SL comes knocking....
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| For me personally Dom should now be the starting 1st team winger rather than Joe. If Joe is not going to be here in 2016 I don't see the point in having Dom playing second fiddle to him in 2015 when he can be getting the 1st team experience.
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| Quote: JCWWRL "For me personally Dom should now be the starting 1st team winger rather than Joe. If Joe is not going to be here in 2016 I don't see the point in having Dom playing second fiddle to him in 2015 when he can be getting the 1st team experience.'"
My first thought was freeze him out, maybe send him to Workington, and see if Manfredi fits the bill. But if he doesn't fit in over there I'm sure there are some awkward rivals who would love to have him on his return and Wigan will want to keep him sweet. Probably immaterial as I reckon he will thrive in Aus.
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