That implies that the club are willing to sell... How is it an "apparent willingness" without you, me or anybody outside those in the know, knowing ANY of the details..?

You Sarcastic git

I don't think O'Loughlin was ever going to go anywhere, which is just as well for you as he is probably your most important player now. Charnley is in the top 3 wingers in the country & has a great deal of improvement left in him yet. McIlorum is a flat track bully who showed in the recent internationals how average he really is. The Martin Hall of the 21st Century but with a nasty streak.

I would say McIlorum is more of a Jimmy Lowes, Terry Newton type hooker than Martin Hall. Given that he started his playing career at Queens the "rough" part of his game should be taken as a given.

Not to mention the 2nd best hooker in the league

I meant in the average player way, rather than aggression, in an otherwise great team (not that the current team is in the same league as the great WIgan teams of the 90s). Newton was about the dirtiest player of his era but had fantastic attacking qualities to go with it, talents that McIlorum lacks.

Ahhh, that explains why he's such a bell'.

To be fair I would put Monaghan, Roby, Burrow and Lunt all ahead of him. He's a decent player who would be a lot better without the brain farts and improved decision making. I'd like to see how he would go playing 50/60 mins rather than the full 80. I think he's at his worst when fatigued.

I'd also have Daryl Clark, Ian Henderson & Houghton before him as well.

But all those mentioned so far bar Monaghan are primarily scooters. None of them are particularly good at opening up defenses with a pass (again bar Monaghan), and certainly they don't hit as hard defensively as McIlorum.

I remember having this discussion re Higham, and wasn't it surprising how Wigan tries increased when he left.

Roby is a brilliant athlete with a fantastic engine, but I still think Saints would be better utilizing him at loose forward for parts of the game.

Granted McIlorum hits the hardest, but with him that comes at a price, penalties. If used his brain he would be ruthless in defence, but from a opposition point of view i think run at McIlorum he may hit hard but we've got a good chance of a piggy back up the field.In big games i would prefer a solid steady defender rather than a error prone hard hitter.

McIlorum gives a beautiful crisp pass off the ground but I'm struggling to remember him splitting defences in open play or supporting breaks the way Newton always did. At one time if Wigan broke up the middle you knew that Newton or Radlinski would be there without fail. He needs to forget his Queens background & stop pretending to be a hard man. 4 or 5 times against France he made strong physical contact as first defender but then dropped off the tackle.

One of the most overrated players in SL. Looks a lot better than he actually is because of the better players around him at Wigan.

I don't think the Wigan head coach would agree with you. McIlorum was Wanes player of the year.