Sam Tomkins in first ever player to talk to a ref shocker!!

Sad and bitter spring to mind

Sick of getting in to debates about the lad so all the opposition fans can have it......he's a niggly, cheating, dirty git who constantly moans at the ref and try's to milk penalties.

He's still going to rip you apart though so deal with it.

Niggly - Yes
Cheating - Far, far less last year, hopefully less this
Dirty Git - Not really, a few silly incidents but nothing major
Constantly moans at the ref - who really cares? if he is doing that it's probably because something has gone against his team so happy days !

World class player - Absolutely.

Don't know why people would get so wound up by what other teams fans would think of him.

The only thing that annoyed me about him was his arm trapping and rolling that would get penalties and was cheating. (i'm not saying other players don't cheat btw, but he did)

Now that has diminished i can enjoy his abilities without getting angry with him, which to be honest is great. He appears to have grown up a lot based on last years showing.

Still think Richie Myler is a better half back based in last year...

He gets all those things thrown at him though and in the main it's tripe but I can't be bothered with the endless debates anymore.

He's brilliant end of story.

So does Briers, Longy, Graham, Wellens etc etc as much by Wigan fans as any.

They are all in the same mould and at their peak superb players who would get in any team, (maybe not so much wellens)

For the record Graham, wellens and Longy never really bothered me, however i reckon Moz would have would me up if i was an opposition fan.

Tomkins is 'currently' a full back...

What a shame. You was doing so well until that point.

That was my point, someone still bit tho, thanks wandering.

Yes i'd rather have Tomkins than Myler, by a long shot!

Still a good player tho Myler.

Tomkins is no worse than any one of the leeds camp for talking to the ref.

You mean Kevin "It's what we do in training Richie" Sinfield?

He's no worse than Briers, Moz, McGuire, Sinfield, Graham, Wellens, Wilkin etc.

I'm not saying it makes it ok for Tomkins to do it. I'm just saying he isn't the first person to do it. I mean, most of the guys I mentioned were playing when Sam was still in school, they were doing it long before him.

Theres nobody worse than Delaney and peanut head Buchanan.

Agreed they are all at it.

Hadn't noticed Moz whining to be fair, usually just trying to look innocent or shaking his head after he's wiped someone out....

Make this a sticky, it'll be a long season!

Keep the moaning coming, the more the idiots moan the more damage he is dong to their teams.
Best English player in the last 10 years.