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| Quote: cadoo "I like this idea. It's not just Union, but the NRL also. We've lost Ellis, the three Burgess brothers and James Graham to the NRL with more likely to follow. Some may argue that it is better for our national side, which in the short-term it is, but it weakens our competition because we're losing our best players. We need the strongest players in this competition to drive up the standards and make this competition more competitive. This will be the most benefit to the international side.
I would have a rule where one star 'homegrown' player is exempt from the salary cap. So for example
Exactly, this is one of the many reasons England Cricket have been so successful, however you can point out that the international cricket game takes precedence over the county championship but having players centralised benefits the international team.
People may argue that the RFL does not have the funds to maintain a centralised contract system but we are going to need to find the funds from somewhere whether this being through marketing or increased sponsorship deals. Therefore it would be advisable to have for example 7 key players, the back bone of the england team, on centralised contracts. Or as you point out 1 per team to keep it fair.
The NRL have increased their salary cap, we cannot compete with them they will begin to take the likes of sam and has been seen with the burgesses and ellis. Rugby Union clubs seem to have money to chuck at anyone, they could poach the players as seen with Eastmond. The RFL really need to look at exemptions from the salary cap for top top quality players.
The RFL could pay 50k a year to the likes of:-
Sam Tomkins
Jonny Lomax
Ben Jones Bishop
Tom Briscoe etc etc
or start off with a centralised contract system of 10 players and work from there
and even if it was one per english club this would work out as about 600k a year! We need to give our best players incentives to ply their trade in superleague, because after all it will benefit our competition if these players are not getting poached
I read a couple of months ago that the RFL have recorded their best pre tax profit to date, lets use some of this money to benefit our game and our players!
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| like you have pointed out, NRL and Yawnion have higher salary caps to work with so can attract/poach the best of our players if they so choose. We cannot just increase our own cap as the clubs in the game as a whole bar 1 or 2 do not make a profit so will not have the funds to pay the players higher wages, some clubs now do not spend their full salary cap. It would have to be found by the RFL/Superleague and be given to all clubs equally otherwise rugby league will end up like football but with only up to 4 teams able to pay higher wages
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Hardware/PDT_41.gif "I'd hate to be a Widnes fan. Our way of thinking is 'were going to the grand final and were gonna win it'. You lot couldn't care less and you haven't for the past 3 years. What a boring time you lot must have supporting your average rugby club. Still you must be exited becoming the super league whipping boys for the next few years? I hope O'Connor goes bankcrupt and you lot and the RFL are made to look daft. Oh and as for getting past Batley, we'd have hammerd them last week if it hadn't been for the wanky ref. We can and will beat Batley, Sheffield and your shower in a high pressure game, you'll see. Fax vs Leigh final, Fax to win on golden point! Watch this space."
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| Quote: cadoo "I like this idea. It's not just Union, but the NRL also. We've lost Ellis, the three Burgess brothers and James Graham to the NRL with more likely to follow. Some may argue that it is better for our national side, which in the short-term it is, but it weakens our competition because we're losing our best players. We need the strongest players in this competition to drive up the standards and make this competition more competitive. This will be the most benefit to the international side.
I would have a rule where one star 'homegrown' player is exempt from the salary cap. So for exampleSalford could have had 'Richie Myler', Castleford 'Joe Westerman', Harlequins, 'Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook', Bradford, 'Sam Burgess' etc etc.
Encourages clubs to develop their homegrown players. Encourages the homegrown players to stay at their parent clubs and it gives us a better chance of retaining our best players when the NRL or Union come hunting.'"
Myler came through the widnes youth.
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| Now that he's cut the daft bits out, he certainly blossomed this season into a cracking player.
Although the Union Clubs will come waving their cheque books, I think we'll see him playing and doing well in the NRL. I can't honestly see him seeing out all 5 years of his contract, maybe being released before his final year in a player swop deal.
And every team needs a pantomime villain for the opposition fans to chelp at, we got TMFMISL, Briers at Wire, and FGB carried that flag at Stains for years!
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| Thankfully there are some people for whom money isn't everything. Kris Radlinski springs to mind. I do hope Kris' infulence is rubbing off on him in more ways than on the playing/training field. I am glad, however, that British RL is producing great players and see no reason at the moment why this will stop. FWIW I don't think Sam will go anywhere in the near future if at all. He seems to be very happy where he is and seems very level headed like Kris.
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23997_1287161421.jpg [quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg |
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| When the England squad went on tour he was home sick so rule aus out
He hates Rugby onion rule that out
What does that leave us he will finish with us dont worry
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| He said in an interview a while ago "I can't even watch Rugby Union, let alone play it"
Personally I think he'll follow the James Graham path i.e. stay until his contract runs out at the end of the 2015 season (when he'll only be 26, scary thought!) then see what the NRL is offering. I know people are saying that the NRL is rammed with high calibre full backs but I reckon that Sam is good enough to play for the vast majority of them. Hopefully by then he will have won a few more medals with Wigan but either way if that's the path he chooses he'd go with my best wishes
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| I hope he stays for the rest of his career, but if he does go, I think it will be to the NRL. But I think he'd go for the challenge rather than the money. So it doesn't matter who pays him, if he wants to go, he will.
And I think we should let him.
We aren't a one player team and the world won't end.
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| i think ultimatly he will go back to his Birthplace club. The mighty Wire. Money talks and we have the mega rich Simon Moran-avich.
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| Quote: Fletcher ender "i think ultimatly he will go back to his Birthplace club. The mighty Wire. Money talks and we have the mega rich Simon Moran-avich.'"
Or maybe he will stay with his boyhood team
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: Fletcher ender "i think ultimatly he will go back to his Birthplace club. The mighty Wire. Money talks and we have the mega rich Simon Moran-avich.'"
Birthplace club? Is Moran planning to relocate the Wolfs franchise to Milton Keynes? They have a fantastic stadium, it would be a huge step up for the Wolfs to move to a ground like that from the cheap, flatpack HJ.
Bold move, though while Wire might be a small club with a poor track record in recent decades many of their fans would be against it, I'd have thought?
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| Worryingly, I think that the Union brigade will see Sam as being very suitable for their game, as he will be seen as a superior version of Ashton - who has been given mystical status for being able to score tries in a game where they are pretty rare. His spectacular scores for Wigan will be like shiny silver to a Rugby Union magpie - financial gain and being able to pull on his country's jersey without being booed might just swing it!
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| If our international game had a higher profile and if it meant something then I don't think there would be any question about him staying. Our international game doesn't even have an identity.
Must be tempting to go to Union, become a millionaire and play infront of 80k fans every other month. He would be a huge celeb!
We lose too many good players from this sport... how much better would RL be if we still had...
Sonny Bill Williams
Karmichael Hunt
Isreal Folau
Shontayne Hape
Stephen Myler
Lesley Vainikolo
Chris Ashton
..playing in our game... quite a few internationals there..
Or how about if we had never lost...
Jason Robinson
Andy Farrell
Brian Carney
Lee Smith
Iestyn Harris
Henry Paul
Mat Rogers
Wendell Sailor
Clinton Schifcofske
Timana Tahu
Lote Tuqiri
Barrie Jon Mather
Chev Walker
Craig Gower
Mark Gasnier
I know many of these players returned in time but thats still a lot of talent to lose. Our player pool is small enough as it is, we MUST keep our talent.
I would hate to lose Sam Tomkins from RL just as much as I hated seeing SBW leave etc.
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| Sam will be at Wigan for some time to come. The danger period will be when he's done 3 years under his present contract and other clubs, NRL or Union, come offering massive salaries together with massive financial incentives that Wigan and RL can't match.
Suppose Sam wanted to stay but then found out that the interested parties offered to make him the first £1m Rugby League transfer and also offer him a £m deal. Could Sam and Wigan RL refuse that kind of money?
As a sport we need to get more money into the clubs and into the RFL. There won't be many that will offer the kind of money that Sam will attract. If the RFL/SL get their financial act together they may be able to build up funds which could be made available to prevent players like Sam leaving us to other sports purely for the money and no other reason.
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| It would be a bit of a disaster to lose the biggest star we've produced in this country to Union.
The NRL, on the other hand, if he decided he wanted to try it, is a different matter. I think there are reasons other than money to try that out. I think it would make him an even better player, because he'd find the defences tougher to crack. Necessity is the mother of invention, and I think he could come up with some new tricks which would help us a lot at international level.
Obviously that depends on him wanting to up sticks and move to the other side of the world. I wouldn't, so I could understand him not wanting to.
Central contracts exist in RU and cricket, where they have been successful There is a massive issue not to be over-looked though:
Both those sports take international players away from their clubs for significant portions of the season, and the clubs expect this to be compensated in some way. We don't play enough international RL to justify it.
We play 1 test (if what we play can even be called that) a year during the season and a few in the off-season when the players aren't needed by their clubs anyway. England RU play 5 tests during the club season in the 6 Nations and usually 3 in the Autumn, if it isn't a World Cup year. England's cricketers will have been away from their counties for virtually the whole sumer between the Sri Lanka and India test series adn now a one-day series. Very different situations.
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