Every punch can be fatal.

Your point?

I have to agree, offseason started early!

Let's look at the evidence. We have video evidence of wane encouraging his players to ''create mayhem'' and bash the hell out of the opposition, just for a friendly. We have a hateful narrative from wane in the build up to the game.

Then within the first minutes of the gamewe have Flower hitting Hohaia off the ball, who funnily enough just happens to be saints only playmaker.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the atmosphere and/or mentality wane may (may not) have created in the build up contributed to flower's red mist, or that trying to get at Hohaia early was some part of the gameplan.

On Sky Sports 2 now.ENJOY

He was already knocked out and defenceless, Flower took a second to pull his arm up to hit him with full force, it was a hell of a lot worse than Newton on Long.

No excuse full stop, ruined the game for me as a Wigan fan..nothing much more to say.

"we will do whatever it takes to win this game"

hmmmmm didn't work then did it shaun

Don't gloat folks



bask, it make you feel...warmer

Not gloating but the biggest myths in RL are Joel Tomkins and Bateman. both non existent tonight yet again.

With all due respect mate, you're talking rubbish. If you're going to use ONE game to justify your comments, at least make it one where it wasn't 12 v13 and preferably not one half a dozen games back into Tomkins return. Why not try the 2011 Challenge cup final for Tomkins perhaps and maybe the whole of last season for Bateman when he virtually carried the Bradford pack single handedly and won young player of the year. In fact take practically any game for us this season too. I'd start with Good Friday where he consistently ripped you a new one playing out of position!

Game, set and match.

So you agree he should not be in the England squad ?

How would you know? You never get to do either.

There is no "evidence". You can't seriously suggest a coach saying his team should "create mayhem" and "bash the hell out of the opposition" has anything to do with a player over-reacting to getting an elbow in the face.

The only game plan I saw was one from Brown of winding the Wigan players up from the off. It worked. Flower reacted and I am sure Hohaia has got a pat on the back for taking one for the team, as I said before.

Check the "Flower" thread for the video evidence. In addition to "create mayhem" and "bash the hell out of the opposition" there is "knock people out" (said whilst punching his own hand to demonstrate) and "be reckless".

I don't think Wane wanted it to be so obvious, but his message is very clear and has been seen through his players all year.