Which bit is baiting?

You being top not at your best or us not peaking yet?

Sam Tomkins has 14 missed tackles.

Brett Hodgson has 29 missed tackles.

That is indeed superior defence.

I knew that someone would moan.

I rate both very very highly as players. Cba to go into all the bickering about wigan/wire players that seems to infest this board.

Look, you can choose Hodgson over Tomkins if you want. Fine. He's a quality player who's playing well in a quality side.

But to choose him cos of his defense? That's what I was querying.

Tomkins
Monaghan
Carmont
Yeaman
McGilvary
Chase
Dureau
Graham
Roby
Mossop
Westwood
Hoffman
O'Loughlin

1. Sam Tomkins (Wigan)
2. Joel Monaghan (Wire)
3. Kirk Yeaman (Hull)
4. George Carmont (Wigan)
5. Pat Richards (Wigan)
6. Rangi Chase (Castleford)
7. Scott Dureau (Catalans)
8. Lee Mossop (Wigan)
9. James Roby (St.Helens)
10. Adrian Morley (Wire)
11. Ben Westwood (Wire)
12. Ryan Hoffman (Wigan)
13. Sean O'Loughlin (Wigan)

Tom Briscoe, Brett Hodgson and Steve Menzies all unlucky to get into my team

6 wiganers, 3 wire, 1 hull, 1 cas, 1 catalan, 1 saints

Sam Tomkins
J Monaghan
Yeaman
Carmont
Briscoe
Chase
Dureau
Graham
Roby
Carvell
Westwood
Hoffman
Lockers

Going off this season so far.

If Brough had been fit he'd have been in ahead of Chase. If he carries on like he did pre-injury he'd be in my side at 6 with Dureau at 7 (although if he misses the end of the year, insert Chase)

Why are people picking Morley?

I think Wire have already peaked. I don't think they will play any better than they did against saints or Wigan.

They might still win the GF because the other teams may not reach the same standards but I don't think wire will improve from here. Thats not a dig, I just can't see them getting any better than winning by 80 for a few weeks along with beating some of the top teams earlier in the season.

IF we can improve (clearly we have plenty of room for improvement) then I can't see anything other than us finishing top and playing wire in the final.

Wire have played much better than last year but are no further up the ladder and have the same amount of points. The extra points difference means nothing because they have no more points than last year.

Wigan have been poor compared to last year and have lost 3 games which is the same as this time last year, but we have drawn 3 games so we have 3 less points. Not bad considering how poor we have been in comparison at times.

You might be in for a nice little shock

Our backline of Hodgson, King, Atkins, Bridge and Joel is the best in the league and its only recently they have been able to all play together, if injuries stay away they are hard to stop.

Plus Hodgson's linking with the team gets better with every game plus Myler is really stepping up lately since Brier's has been out.

Its not the 80 odd points where I think we can improve its the against the big teams where we keep up the level of play longer like against Saints and Hudds great starts but didn't keep it up, Wigan game was awhile ago now but remember it being a very good defence effort.

when we have these types of threads, can we ban wire fans please? would be nice to chat rugby league without retards ruining it

Hope your not calling me a retard.

Oh, the irony...

I bigged up some of the Wigan players in fact the only players i've disagreed with are Chase and Welham