Lam needs to go now, but Lenagan won’t sack him because he’ll have to pay him up to the end of the season.

So who's going to be the next coach ......

When you put it that way, it looks as if the problems are much more fundamental than having a few crap players who aren't trying very hard.

Of course, as things are, we have more than a few crap players, and even the ones who aren't crap aren't trying very hard. But all the things you mention are noticeable. We look totally disorganised - those passes to ground yesterday were terrible - give away constant back-to-back penalties (which few others teams do) and seem to lose our heads immediately when things are tough. The way we collapsed in 10 minutes yesterday was exactly like the second half at Castleford and the second half at Wakefield (none of which sides are anything special at all). At present, we have a team who could be ahead by 30 points and I wouldn't be certain of victory until a minute from the end.

Sorry, but Lam is useless. Week after week, Wigan seem totally unprepared for the demands of Superleague. In 2010, Michael Maguire took over a side that under Noble got nowhere near winning anything, and with no new signings turned them into champs in one season. They were the same players but under Maguire they started the season hyper-fit, looking well-drilled, well-oiled, and displaying the sort of controlled but intense aggression that we hadn't seen at Wigan in years.

I know that Maguire had better players, but my point is that a coach who actually knows what he's doing can work wonders. Besides, we can't just replace our cohort of underperforming losers so easily. That'll only happen over a period of years. However, we can change the coach - and the sooner the better.

Root and branch review and start again. I’d dig deeper than just the coach and part with all the assistants, strength and conditioning staff and recruit better than we have now with a proper due process and not some mates rates put-together boys club we have at the moment.

All that can't be done in 12 months.
WE have to start with the team and maybe the coach. Lam's situation has to be resolved one way or the other before long. These next four games are crucial.

Are there no mid season signings available? Our pack needs strengthening now not just for next year.

This have to change and will do so. We do need signings that will improve us through be it players and/or coach.

The WEP says the players are back in Wigan, albeit via Birmingham

I think that's right - at the moment we have fundamental problems in how we attack and defend, the net result of which are poor communication, errors, awful discipline and a soft underbelly, which means we are eminently beatable if the opposition get some momentum regardless of the scoreboard. I was quite happy when Lam joined as coach, but we can't carry on like this regardless of the hand he's been dealt with respect to recruitment. I've no idea why he's been unable to improve our attack while maintaining the high defensive standards from last year. I'd expect a coach schooled in the NRL to at least improve our attack, Wane didn't exactly set the bar that high. It's all very disappointing so far from coach and players - let's just hope we can pick up some points over the next month, if we lose the next four, I honestly don't see how the club could stick with him.

Absolute shocker made my way up on the train from Salou with a good number of others, great turn out from the fans great atmosphere in Barcelona before the game and in the stadium in the first half. The team were a joke we have forwards with no go forward and a stand off who passes to the turf more often than he does to a team mate.
Combine that with a coach who appears clueless we are in a bad place and like others have said earlier in the thread a major clear out and reset is required urgently.

I felt sorry for the fans who shelled out for the trip. I'm sure everyone (mostly) managed to have a good time, but they were cheated; the occasion deserved something so much better than that. Losing is one thing, but going down so lamely is quite another.

What’s more frustrating is Lam will still be in charge until the end of the season so that Lenagan can save money but in doing so is ripping off the fans.

Lenegan says Lam is still first choice for next year. God help us. Time to move on Mr Lenegan. Lam had enough time now, there should be improvements.

IL said that about Lam being first choice before the Catalans game.
Hopefully after that 80 mins he will be reconsidering.

Camp Nou was a huge loss of face for Wigan. It was unexpectedly well attended, masses of Wigan fans made the trip, and even the Aussies are sitting up and taking note - and as usual in 2019, the only ones who didn't seem to have read the script about this being a big day for the game were Adrian Lam and his players.

IL must be feeling deeply frustrated, especially on top of all the other terrible performances.

I can't believe that Lam is still favourite now. In fact, if we don't take at least a couple of the next four games, I think (hope) that it's a certainty he'll be gone at the end of the season.

As for IL's comments ... I doubt he would come out and say anything really negative about Lam in mid-season. What would it have said about his discretion if he'd responded to that question with: 'Adrian hasn't got a hope.'?