Hardaker again showing he’s brilliant in our half but has no impact whatsoever on our attack inside our opponents red zone.

How many nothing lob kicks to Hallsall/Bibby side did we do?

Just embarrassing today, can’t wait for the year to be over.

There's no doubt that opening try was ridiculously fortuitous for Warrington, but we didn't make enough chances of our own. How often were we actually in the sort of attacking position that saw Havard stroll in?

Can't have been more than a couple the whole match.

Tell you what mate, I'm not happy with how things are at the min, but I'm not sure how you can even seriously say we're at the level of Leigh.

It really isn't that bad.

So just start with Bullock, with that squad there was no option but to put Farrell/Bateman in the centre, Smithies goes to 2nd row and Bullock starts at 13 or swaps with Partington, chucking an interchange away was dumb

Why am I not surprised we don’t fully know the rules we are playing under? Just another thing to add a long list of cock-ups from the club this year.

Sick to death of the post game post-mortem. Same comments time and time again and time and time again they’re accurate as they are harsh.

Considering that was supposedly two of the top Super League teams it was a drab affair. Neither could attack for toffee and both teams look in dire need of a coaching change ASAP.

Concentrating on us; we weren’t as good as we were v Cas clearly. We showed a complete lack of basic rugby knowledge and other than Harvard’s try we never looked like scoring or any viable threat to Warrington’s line so in that sense they didn’t need to be any good. NK raised it earlier but Kev Brown’s comments were spot on, Hastings does too much and tires himself out to the point he becomes a mere passenger. If other players had half his will and desire he wouldn’t need to do that amount of drives and actually get on with what he’s meant to be doing.

Shorrocks at hooker and Powell on the bench was criminal. If Powell wasn’t fit to start bring in O’Neill and f**k Bullock off to the nearest willing amateur club. I like Shorrocks but he’s never a 9 in the memory of man, he’d be a decent back rower/13 for me. Whether that’s at Wigan I don’t know.

Smith was anonymous and some of his kicks were awful. I’ve said it before and I still believe it now but he looks lost and out of confidence. He needs a good coach as much as the club does. I still believe he’ll come good for us.

On the plus side I thought Singleton went well again and Bibby showed why he was signed (and continues to prove me wrong). Bateman looked like he’s improving but still nowhere near where he should be. Zak was superb IMO and if he does leave it would be a hammer blow to this side. Havard took his try well and played okay. Powell got himself about but clearly isn’t at his full powers.

Individually there were some good performances but as a team it was poor. We play as a team of individuals playing for himself rather than a team of individuals playing for his team mates. I can’t wait for this season to be over. This pre season coming up needs to be as fundamentally changing for Wigan as Michael Maguires first pre season was.

I’m not a stats guy SP but how many tries have Leyth scored compared us this season?

What other team plays worse rugby than we do ?

I think Leyth have won the same number of games that we have in their last 6 games or so therefore, on form we equal Leyth.

I watch us and the only team that I feel we might beat is Leyth.

I love a bet SP so I’ll triple whatever Paddy Power quotes for us next season for us to win the GF to go to any charity or if you like your bank account. At a push I’ll give you four times the odds. If Peet gets the nod I’ll give you five times the odds.

We are awful.
So slow we would embarrass an half decent amatuer team.
No leaders. Not one. I included Farrell and Bateman in that synopsis. Both of them this season of been vacant. Bateman has been useless ( I’d argue he hasn’t been that good) let’s not pretend otherwise.
Robotic stereotype “middles”. God how I hate that “term”
I’ve got more more get up and at 64 than virtually all of the team. We are slow, slow slow, slow.
We never, not occasionally, start a game well. We play “within” ourselves.

I don’t blame just Lam I blame overrated and by default overpaid players.

We reek of mediocrity on and off the field.

Yeah I’d rank us with Leyth

I've thought this, at times this season he just looks like he's said it, I'll do it myself, with the amount of drives/hit ups he takes. And he's been caught in possession on the 5th tackle on occasions. Restricting your last tackle options.

You can't imagine that goes down well with the other players.

I wasnt that bothered about your Scoring today, if you did I was expecting 8t to come from a Hastings barge over

You won't hear me argue that we aren't playing poorly. We are.

I'm not into this look at the last 6 games stuff tho. It's easy to pick a number of games to prove a point. We're playing badly, but we're 4th in the league too. Leigh are bottom. There's a world of difference between the two.

I ay it all at the feet of Lam btw. Singleton, Powell, Faz, Bateman, Zak, Isa, Gildart (who's been injured) all have something in common - they've all won GF's and they all could be playing better. If it was just one of them I'd blame the player, but 5 or 6 + others who aren't playing well - it has to be the coach.

I doubt we could say the same about Leigh, or even half of the other teams towards the foot of this table. Heck, a lot of them would kill for the side we have. I'll happily say that there's a good team in there. We might not win the GF next year, but we won't be bottom like Leigh are either.

I think a measure of how little this coach can get from his players is the fact that John Bateman is having the first poor season of his career. Make no bones about it, the lad is absolutely top class, one of the best backrowers in world rugby league and even he is being made to look exceptionally ordinary under this coach.

Watched Bateman for 5 years at Wigan and a lot of his Canberra games.

Never seen him dominated in every collision like he has this year. I’m finding myself just thankful he doesn’t lose the ball on most occasions.

Think he’s getting targeted (fairly) by every team but isn’t coping with it well.

I’m sure he’ll come good next year but very disappointing this year.

It looks to me like we’ve told Bateman to literally go out there and play. There’s times in his career when he’s looked destructive in open play but in reality he’s hit lines on the edges and been able to punch holes through defences. The way we play, he’s barely in those positions and is just getting bullied. It’s quite sad to see really but it’s borderline Stuart Fielden territory for getting mullered in the physical side.

If our starting 6 matches had been our final 6 matches we would be scrapping with Leyth for bottom position. I genuinely think that we are that bad. We are the slowest team in the comp by a country mile.

Yes I agree Lam should pick up most of the flack but the players this season have got away with murder.
The problem is we don’t really have any senior players who should have told IL to bullet Lam or that they would take care of coaching themselves. Zero leaders of any stature or authority within the squad.

I think our problems are much more than the coach.

By the way on current form, and the competition by definition is about current form at this time of the year, who would you feel confident about beating at the moment?

I know I’m a lone voice but unlike others I don’t think the current squad is a good squad in waiting for the right coach. Next season we have no halves, a poor 9 and a non existent 13 and that’s before we consider rank bad “middles”. Oh add to that a no kicking game with a goal kicking conversion of circa 50% and you have bottom 4 material written all over it.

Do I think we can do better? Of course we can but doesn’t mean we will by rights.

We have a long slog ahead of us and a top coach can cover most of the cracks but poor recruiting in the last few years are coming home to roost particularly with lack of leadership within the squad.