Regardless of injuries that was really poor, I can't comprehend what we must do in training in attack. Even at the start when we were competing with them it was only because of our defence. I feel sorry for Bateman and Clubb, they didn't deserve to be on the end of that scoreline (which flattered us!)

I completely agree with you. A few years ago I would have come up with reasons for a thrashing then told myself that we will improve and go on to win at Wembley then me mam would wake me up for school.
Injuries are merely highlighting just how poor we are. Apart from Clubb and to a lesser degree Bateman the rest were truely awful last night. This isn't new news it's just a continuation of drab, lifeless, joyless rugby.
We trundle everywhere. We have a team of trundlers. I genuinely find it hard to believe that Burke, Isa, Tierney, Sutton, Mossop, Smith, Powell et al ever played RL before they signed for us. They are totally utterly lifeless.
If I hear again about conditioning and how fit we are I will scream. We look shot at before we start a game and every player gasps for air even after trundling in. The body language of the players is depressing.
Personally I don't think we are a top 8 team and said it my sons at the Catalan game. At the time they laughed at me but they are not laughing now.
We will struggle to beat Dewsbury and then get butchered again by Hull.
I'm not surprised by last night but disappointed with myself for not feeling hurt about being totally thrashed by a team who stopped playing after 60 minutes.

I completely agree with you. A few years ago I would have come up with reasons for a thrashing then told myself that we will improve and go on to win at Wembley then me mam would wake me up for school.
Injuries are merely highlighting just how poor we are. Apart from Clubb and to a lesser degree Bateman the rest were truely awful last night. This isn't new news it's just a continuation of drab, lifeless, joyless rugby.
We trundle everywhere. We have a team of trundlers. I genuinely find it hard to believe that Burke, Isa, Tierney, Sutton, Mossop, Smith, Powell et al ever played RL before they signed for us. They are totally utterly lifeless.
If I hear again about conditioning and how fit we are I will scream. We look shot at before we start a game and every player gasps for air even after trundling in. The body language of the players is depressing.
Personally I don't think we are a top 8 team and said it my sons at the Catalan game. At the time they laughed at me but they are not laughing now.
We will struggle to beat Dewsbury and then get butchered again by Hull.
I'm not surprised by last night but disappointed with myself for not feeling hurt about being totally thrashed by a team who stopped playing after 60 minutes.

I am not quite in the desperation state but last night was poor.

It has to be taken in context - looking at some of the young players last night they looked shot, I suspect some of them have played one too many games recently at their state of development and it showed. Some of them (but by no means all) may be good prospects but they are having to do too much at present without the benefit of experience to fall back on.

There was also a clear lack of leadership out there - Lockers is a big miss in just that regard beyond his ability on the field and I am not sure Bateman is captain material just yet. Too many times the team looked lost and directionless, Gregson at 6 cannot offer direction and that leaves Smith with far too much to try and do.

We were beaten by a team that played much better last night - simple.

Wigan can and will get better once we can get a full team out, that will be a time to judge.

You can't argue with that. I would also ask people not to judge a rank average performance from Warrington....please judge us when our best player is on the pitch.

I wouldn't dream of judging Warrington: you did plenty enough to win.

Only played with 12 men near the end when are are injuries going to stop.

Wigan had five England players and another three regulars on the sidelines and they then lost forwards Tony Clubb (head), Lee Mossop (quad) and Taulima Tautai (calf) to injury in the second half as they finished the game with 12 men.

)You dont think bateman is remotely as good as currie? Bit harsh, he was outstanding last night in a poor team performance.

I didn't expect us to win last night with the side we put out. Of course, we have a lot of players out. But so do most clubs, Injuries are so commonplace in RL, But Wigan are supposed to be one of the 'big' clubs (if not the 'biggest'), We would expect to have a stronger squad than we have. If a side like Widnes, say, loses Kev Brown, we know that's going to be a massive blow to them. But we should expect to cope rather better. Yes, we are missing our spine. But it's the unforced errors and the poor discipline that's killing us. One of the things I'm fond of telling all the RU fans in this part of the country is that skill levels, especially amongst the backs, are far superior in SL (and even more so,of course, in the NRL). But I reckon even Northampton or Wasps or Bath's backs would run rings round us at the moment. As I've said before, watching the Superleague Show, virtually every side in SL has shown more attacking ingenuity at times than we've managed this season. Wakey are an example.

We still have the same salary cap... Apart from Salford seemingly, and maybe Cats.

Well said!