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Quote: P-J "Evidently you were watching a different game.

Please could you explain to me what Byrne could have done differently in that tackle to prevent a red card?'"


He can’t do a lot differently. It’s just one of those things. No intent, no malice but direct forceful contact with the head. Under today’s rules that’s a red card. Feel free to disagree with the rules but the decision is, with reluctance correct.

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Nothing between the teams. Yes Saints probably had the rub of the green but they deserved their win. Byrne’s dismissal changed the momentum undoubtedly, up to that point Wigan looked the team most likely to take home the points.

I was disappointed with our rotation today. We have played nearly 30 minutes with 12 men and we have not used Nsembe, and Mago has played sparingly.

I am confident we will turn it around.

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Honestly, I could not give a t0ss.

I'm done with robot, RL ref sympathisers. It's GF FFS. I've been looking forward to it all week and some 8 stone, gangly pr1ck has ruined it.

Before the game they showed the infamous GF fight. This year, they've given a red for nothing.

Imagine the worst thing you can think of to happen to a person, x1000 and you're still way off the absolutely hatred I have for. Every single pro SL ref.

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Quote: MadDogg "No issue with either of the cards within the current framework - anyone blaming the refs are simply misguided. They aren't to blame for applying rules they have had no say in changing. If anything I thought Dupree was a little fortunate.

The one decision Kendall definitely got wrong was the Clark strip on Leeming which would have been an easy two points in front of the sticks. Clark by his face knew very well he'd got away with one there.

Lots of effort but too many errors and penalties. Attack isn't clicking atm but it will with better weather and a more consistent line up. Regardless, pretty sure we win the game without the red and it also meant that Junior Nsemba couldnt get on the field. Defeat isn't the end of the world and may even help Wigan moving forwards - there can be no complacency now.'"


I have no problem with the Byrne sending off under the current rules but the Dupree decision I thought was poor. Prop forwards run with their bumpers up all the time and the point of contact was clearly into the chest. If we don’t want to see such incidents then we need to see a rule change.

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Quote: MadDogg "No issue with either of the cards within the current framework - anyone blaming the refs are simply misguided. They aren't to blame for applying rules they have had no say in changing. If anything I thought Dupree was a little fortunate.

The one decision Kendall definitely got wrong was the Clark strip on Leeming which would have been an easy two points in front of the sticks. Clark by his face knew very well he'd got away with one there.

Lots of effort but too many errors and penalties. Attack isn't clicking atm but it will with better weather and a more consistent line up. Regardless, pretty sure we win the game without the red and it also meant that Junior Nsemba couldnt get on the field. Defeat isn't the end of the world and may even help Wigan moving forwards - there can be no complacency now.'"


Nsembe should have got on, that was a coaching error.

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Quote: Trainman "He can’t do a lot differently. It’s just one of those things. No intent, no malice but direct forceful contact with the head. Under today’s rules that’s a red card. Feel free to disagree with the rules but the decision is, with reluctance correct.'"

So just to be clear - no swinging arm, no leading with the shoulder, no attacking the head... but a straight red card?

The game is screwed then, isn't it. It wasn't even a penalty.

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Quote: P-J "So just to be clear - no swinging arm, no leading with the shoulder, no attacking the head... but a straight red card?

The game is screwed then, isn't it. It wasn't even a penalty.'"


As I said, feel free to disagree with the rules but ask yourself 3 questions:

1: Was there direct contact with the head
2: Was there force in the tackle
3: Are there any significant mitigating factors (eg defender slips causing a rapid change of height)

If the answer is yes, yes and no, whatever the context or intend under today’s rules it is a red card. Any perceived intent will determine the length of the ban.

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Quote: Trainman "As I said, feel free to disagree with the rules but ask yourself 3 questions

So we can expect a lengthy ban for whoever had the direct head contact with Thompson.

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Quote: DannyT "So we can expect a lengthy ban for whoever had the direct head contact with Thompson.'"


Don't feed the ref trolls

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Quote: DannyT "So we can expect a lengthy ban for whoever had the direct head contact with Thompson.'"


That was Lees and yes, I’d expect a ban. Had it been picked up by the VR Lees would have been carded IMO. I think all 3 of Byrne, Dupree and Lees will get 1-2 matches.

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Only just got back and not seen the cards on tv so wont comment.

That was a hugely intense game between the two best sides in the comp by a distance. It says a lot that all the tries were scored from kicks bar the Hurrell barge over. Both sides were poor in attack but outstanding in defence.

I just wish the rest of the comp was as strong.

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Must have stumbled onto redvee by accident here. I was told on good authority that everybody here is sane and reasonable!

Great game anyway, could have gone either way. Both defences were fantastic and it’ll be a surprise if some combo of us don’t win all the trophies this year. Can’t see anybody else living with either of us, although anything can happen in a one off cup game, of course!

Thought your discipline was really poor. Quite a lot of head tackles in the game. We dominated the first half, you fought back really well and right when it looked like you might get on top, momentum was swung again with a really poor tackle. Something you need to fix up, as it was a big problem for us last season and cost us a lot of points that would have seen us finish top

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Quote: Stu M "

I just wish the rest of the comp was as strong.'"


Why I didn't go down the bookies and put the house on KR this morning, I don't know! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Trainman "That was Lees and yes, I’d expect a ban. Had it been picked up by the VR Lees would have been carded IMO. I think all 3 of Byrne, Dupree and Lees will get 1-2 matches.'"


Sky Sports couldn’t clip the replay quick enough and I don’t recall Thompson staying down for any length of time. I would be instructing my players to stay down long enough for the video ref to step in after today sadly.

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Never a sending off too many games being decided by the referee I watched the game with fans of Wigan Saints Leigh and Wire non thought it was red if we continue down this line sport is screwed.

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