You called one off last season I recall. That's the one I was referring to. I remember it because ironically I messaged NK on here privately to tell him the game was going to be called off as I had been told about Covid in the Wigan camp. None this season though you're correct.



I agree. Wigan despite doing it tough at times are still 4th and can't be ruled out. Your players are capable of performing much better than they are collectively, so a change of coach could cure those issues as you have mentioned. Whether Matty Peet is the right man remains to be seen.



To be fair you do get some opposition fans on Redvee who add to the debate. But without wanting to open up this debate again (I think it was you I had it with a few months back) the redvee site isn't overly welcoming to obvious trolls and wind up merchants and some of the stuff aimed at one particularly poster goes over the line, I admit that.
However overall I don't see much difference in the two boards. Both have good posters, some idiots, some blinkered/biased posters and some who take it too far. I have seen "Stains" "scousers" "bin dippers" etc all spouted on here. But yet I hear how fluffy and warm and welcoming this site is.



We can agree to disagree. I think Coote has been guilty at times of it and Bentley did one on Monday against Warrington where he was clipped on the back of the head and went down like he was shot. But I do think on the whole most teams are as bad as each other and outside of a few posters on here I haven't seen Saints singled out anywhere else. As previously mentioned I do cringe at Walmsley looking at the ref before he plays the ball after every carry though.

But it's all about opinions mate and yours is a fair one that's put across sensibly which is all you can ask for I suppose.

Your much better at snipping posts and quoting against relevant section than I am for a start.

On the covid cancellation, catalans tested positive and cancelled, wigan and cas then rearranged their game and played, the other 3 players/members of staff caught covid and it was identified Wednesday pm. Until all other players and staff had been tested and the game wasn't allowed to go ahead.

This was mid 1st wave and 2nd wave pandemic, hardly comparable to some of the shenanigans this year.
Wigan have played every game I believe thisbyear although at times I wish they hadn't!

IIRC Wigan have had one game postponed due to covid, Hudds away (postponed by Hudds) which was rearranged for and played on Wembley weekend.

On the wider topic of covid and cancellations it's a tricky one to judge really.

I suppose part of me doesn't want to believe that teams are "faking it" and using it their advantage. Whether that's naïve of me or just being an optimist/idealist I don't know.

Some of the cancellations (including ours) have come at a handy time and in that sense can look dodgy and too much of a coincidence maybe. But by the same token in our case we gave up a home game to Huddersfield which could cost us the league leaders shield, so I find it hard to believe we faked it. Yes it came at a good time in terms of a post-Wembley breather but we also gave up a very winnable game.

As you say Wigan have fulfilled every game so hats off to them for that and I was proud of Saints being able to say the same thing prior to the stuff after Wembley.

For the good of the game I can't wait to see the back of it and I hope we never hear the words "points percentage" ever again.

Yeah I think you're right. The one I was referring to was a home game v Catalans last year which was due to Covid in the Wigan camp. Lam was one of those who had it.

Before he even played. Never been in trouble since he's been a in the team. Even you must admit it's a remarkable rehabilitation on Wigan and Hardaker's part. Barba had drug issues before he came to Saints and there were many rumours of, shall we say, domestic problems, during his time at Saints. Subsequent events suggest there was probably some substance to the rumours. I'm not making any judgement calls here, by the way. Merely pointing out the 'creative accountancy' in making a Wigan list whilst reducing Saints indiscretions to "missing a couple of games" (sic).

I would certainly also take issue with the statement that "convenient Covid/constant play acting is no different from any other team" unless you're arguing that several wrongs make a right? In that case we'll knock most of the Wigan list off too as similar has happened at most other clubs.

You getting my point yet?

I think I have just answered the Covid related stuff in another reply.

And of course stuff goes on at all clubs. The reason I put that list to NK was that he was questioning the integrity and reputation of Saints which I thought was a bit of a stretch, especially given the stuff that has gone on at Wigan. That was the point I was making. I haven't ever or would never claim Saints as a club are flawless and full of absolute angels.

So you're objecting to NK's singling out of Saints indiscretions by doing exactly the same thing re: Wigan's? Then you spend several posts trying to justify Saints' whilst not doing the same for Wigan's. Am I right in assuming that's an example of the balance you're looking for on here?

I put the question to YG if he felt the timing of Saints Covid issues were suspicious and he said not. I literally give up at that point. I mean come on, let’s not beat around the bush here, it’s at least a bit suspicious that a team can have no issues and then have a couple of weeks off at a time every team would love a reset.

Wigan would’ve been pummelled had we been in a position to do the same and we’d be pummelled for the other stuff I mention but ironically YG throws around ‘well Wigan do loads of bad stuff’ as a defence for something he says doesn’t need defending. I’ve lost some respect for Saints this season at the end of the day. That he’s me trying to wind Saints fans up, crying like a baby etc, it’s just my own feeling. The Saints team is good enough not to play the tricks they have and thats a compliment. I’ll be staggered if they don’t win the Grand Final again. The fact they’ve manufactured an advantage only helps their cause but I’m not sure they even needed it.

Saints are currently on played 18 (can't remember if they've been one of the teams that've been awarded a 24-0) so that's a possible played 17, question is are they going to at least try and fulfil their fixtures or calling it quits now they've reached the play-off threshold.
Catching up with their fixtures would put a hell of a strain on their squad leading into the play-offs over the next three weeks.

No, you're wrong. We've had this issue before haven't we? You read one thing, mix it up in your head then reply.

I haven't tried to "justify" anything. I simply pointed out that NK questioning the integrity and reputation of Saints, as a Wigan supporter, was a severe case of people in glass houses throwing stones.

Manufactured an advantage? What if we finish 2nd and face a tougher semi (Warrington as opposed to you for example) because of the win we gave up when we supposedly faked covid? Not much of an advantage is it?

My question to you is if you find what Saints did suspicious then can the same be said for every team who have had games postponed when they weren't favourites for example? If so, then I am right in saying we are no worse than anyone else aren't I? And therefore shouldn't be singled out.

Also I did acknowledge earlier that the timing of our covid could be seen in some parts to look convenient when I said "Some of the cancellations (including ours) have come at a handy time and in that sense can look dodgy and too much of a coincidence maybe. But by the same token in our case we gave up a home game to Huddersfield which could cost us the league leaders shield, so I find it hard to believe we faked it. Yes it came at a good time in terms of a post-Wembley breather but we also gave up a very winnable game."