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| I am a Hull KR fan..
I have always been a fan of Sean O'Loughlin, what a cracking player he is. His tackle rate is very impressive, also good in attack and very creative!
He is one of the best players in the competiton so far!
Keep it up Lockers! (England's Number 13!)
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| Quote: inside_man "I think we're looking a bit light prop-wise but I think we're looking very very strong in the 2nd row. In a couple of years i'd expect some of these guys to move up to prop ala Peacock when I think we'll be alright again.
I still think Fielden could do a job at prop for a couple more years as well for England.'"
If Fielden keeps his current form up he must be worth a look in the mid season to test to try and bolster our prop options.
I agree about backrowers eventually moving upto prop and one big candidate for that is Jamie Langley who is having a superb season for Bradford(until I put him in my fantasty team and get takes ill on the bus). He is basically doing the work of a prop and will play there eventually imo. We have Mossop who'll go the same way but maybe not on a permenent basis for a couple of years.
I'd also like to see us take a look at Andy Lynch and Gareth Carvell in the mid season game. It's pointless us keep putting a full team out against France.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "If Fielden keeps his current form up he must be worth a look in the mid season to test to try and bolster our prop options.
I agree about backrowers eventually moving upto prop and one big candidate for that is Jamie Langley who is having a superb season for Bradford(until I put him in my fantasty team and get takes ill on the bus). He is basically doing the work of a prop and will play there eventually imo. We have Mossop who'll go the same way but maybe not on a permenent basis for a couple of years.
I'd also like to see us take a look at Andy Lynch and Gareth Carvell in the mid season game. It's pointless us keep putting a full team out against France.'"
I think the strength of the backrow means we could get by with just good props, without the world class ones for a bit. A back row made from Ellis - Burgess - Lockers - Tomkins - Harrison - Langley etc provides enough bulk and skill to compensate for a lack of true world class up front.
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| Quote: inside_man "I think the strength of the backrow means we could get by with just good props, without the world class ones for a bit. A back row made from Ellis - Burgess - Lockers - Tomkins - Harrison - Langley etc provides enough bulk and skill to compensate for a lack of true world class up front.'"
Graham is a world class prop imo and he'll step up into that prop leaders role when Peacock and Morley retire.
It will be a slog when those 2 retire but we've thankfully got plenty of top draw talent in the pack. Those 2 are very good players and have an amazing aura about them which has been built up over time because they've earned everyones respect. I'd say guys like Gareth Ellis and Sam Burgess are well on their way to building up that same aura though due to them ripping it up in the NRL(well Ellis is and Burgess will do).
Ellis would be my next England captain when Peacock retires.
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| If we're talking top British props, you have to mention Paul Wood.
If he stays fit this season (big if) I have zero doubt he'll be involved come 4N time.
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| Not sure why people would think Peacock, his England performances of late have been poor to average with the odd eye catching run. He lacks the mobility to handle International rugby league and personally the sooner he retires from that arena the better!
He is a massive weakness in defence against pace he is a total passenger. Smith and Briscoe were hung out to dry because of his poor defence in the last 4 Nations.
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: DaveO "I wasn't meaning your response was OTT but the other responses immediately after mine which did launch into the now tiresome ridicule. Any comments about abuse were aimed not at you and neither did I think your call for me to withdraw my comment was abusive. I took it as a point of debate and have just reiterated my reason for thinking why the captaincy thing may be a reason for his improved play.
I just want to be clear on that because at the moment it seems posts are easily getting misinterpreted.
Well from what I have seen I think there is evidence he is playing better on attack and I think the stats back that up. As to him playing worse if he gets given the captaincy back I don't think that necessarily follows even it it was, as I contend, a bad idea to give it too him in the first place.
As gpartin posted I don't think anyone should misconstrue speculation as to why his game has improved as any slight on Lockers. As was also pointed out Roberts has gone on record as to saying why he feels his game has improved so if that were reiterated on here would that be a slight on him? The same goes for any player and we have several who have improved some more than others. Why is commenting on Lockers improvement and speculating why any different?
OK you don't think Lockers game has improved but given [iI do[/i what is wrong with suggesting why I think this may be? And equally why should me doing so result in some of the pathetic responses from others?
Dave'"
Thanks for the clarification regarding your "OTT" comment.
The point that in your original post that I objected to was this
I wouldn't argue with the new coach point - its improved things for everyone. I don't feel Sean is playing much better than last season, simply because he was playing superbly last season until his injury. If he is a bit more creative this year its because his team mates are fitter and putting in more work and performing more effectively, allowing Lockers more freedom and opportunities. I don't doubt though that MM, SW and the new regime have and will improve him, but I would suspect that the results will be less visible with Lockers - who has always given 100% - than with certain other players, who frankly weren't doing themselves or the famous cherry and white shirt justice.
The part I objected to was the assertion that removing the captaincy would enable him to play better. I don't think that's fair to Lockers and as I pointed out it means we should expect him to play less well when he is captain this season than when he is not captain. I await the evidence for this - I would be very surprised if it turns out to be the case. It is not a compliment to Lockers to suggest he can't play as effectively when captain. I don't think it is right to be making criticisms like this without any evidence. I do think it tends to undermine Lockers and is a slight on him. Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment - would you like to read or hear Wigan fans suggesting that you won't play as well if you are captain? I wouldn't. Let's wait till later in the season before passing judgment, at the very least he deserves that, doesn't he?
The other point I would make is that your intentions may be honourable and you may intend no slight on Lockers but there are still many mindless Lockers knockers lurking out there (you know who you are!), please don't give them any encouragement!
As for the pathetic responses, I'm in total agreement with you there. Some of the responses you've had on this and other threads recently have been ridiculous.
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| Quote: jonh "Not sure why people would think Peacock, his England performances of late have been poor to average with the odd eye catching run. He lacks the mobility to handle International rugby league and personally the sooner he retires from that arena the better!
He is a massive weakness in defence against pace he is a total passenger. Smith and Briscoe were hung out to dry because of his poor defence in the last 4 Nations.'"
They were hung out to dry in defence when he was playing at second row. He doesn't have the mobility to play in the second row anymore but he's still a class act at prop.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "If we're talking top British props, you have to mention Paul Wood.
If he stays fit this season (big if) I have zero doubt he'll be involved come 4N time.'"
Good shout.
He's having a fine season. He's just become easy forgettable because he's missed so many games through injury in his career and that starts to have an effect on your overall reputation.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "They were hung out to dry in defence when he was playing at second row. He doesn't have the mobility to play in the second row anymore but he's still a class act at prop.'"
Have to disagree, domestically he does have a lot still to offer against the best he simply is out of his depth.
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| Quote: jonh "Have to disagree, domestically he does have a lot still to offer against the best he simply is out of his depth.'"
I thought he had a much better four nations then Morley tbh who did worry me a little about what he's got left to offer at that level.
Either way both are no more then a season or 2 away from international retirement and we need to look at the options to replace them.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Burgess to play in the second row for me alongside Ellis(thats is some second row).
If we had a four nations game tomorrow i'd go-
Graham Sinfield Peacock
Ellis Burgess
O'Loughlin'"
That would be some pack!
The second row would be unstoppable, especially if they both have big years in the NRL
If only we had a backline with some strike power
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| Quote: kirkamania6 "That would be some pack!
The second row would be unstoppable, especially if they both have big years in the NRL
If only we had a backline with some strike power'"
It's unbelievable how few backs we're producing with size, pace and power.
IMO we have to go back to guys like Gleeson and Leon Pryce for the four nations and i'd like to see us have a look at somebody like Leroy Cudjoe who is progressing very nicely at Huddersfield.
I'd probably give Leon Pryce a crack at fullback in the French game.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "It's unbelievable how few backs we're producing with size, pace and power.
IMO we have to go back to guys like Gleeson and Leon Pryce for the four nations and i'd like to see us have a look at somebody like Leroy Cudjoe who is progressing very nicely at Huddersfield.
I'd probably give Leon Pryce a crack at fullback in the French game.'"
I'd have him at left back...
Especially after his I can't be d attitude last time round.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "It's unbelievable how few backs we're producing with size, pace and power.
IMO we have to go back to guys like Gleeson and Leon Pryce for the four nations and i'd like to see us have a look at somebody like Leroy Cudjoe who is progressing very nicely at Huddersfield.
I'd probably give Leon Pryce a crack at fullback in the French game.'"
I think we could change it too make us slightly better in the backs than we are now
Sam and Eastmond are exciting in the halves and will only get better
But there is nothing we can do about the backs, we're gona be behind the aussies for a good few years yet no matter what we do
Lets just hope the new coach can think of a wonderful game plan where are forwards dominate
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