I don't think many people actually hate BN, do they?

I feel very strongly that we need to make changes in a number of areas, including head coach, but I have no personal animosity towards him or anyone else, we just need to change things if we are going to make progress.

And pretty much exactly what I was trying to say in a thread I created a couple of months ago entitled "Turning the Ship around".

I tried to point out that the change in fotunes didnt't happen overnight from relegation to Champions - It happened in small stages AND sometimes we had to take a backward step to get there i.e selling our best player in Fairbairn to create funds etc to strengthen the squad first.

Some poster say Graham Lowe!
I say Maurice Bamford, Alex Murphy, Clarke/McCinnes & Then Lowe!

Some say Andy Gregory
I say Jinkin Jimmy, Gary Stevens,Keith Holden, Mike Ford then Andy Gregory!

There are many other parallels but in essence the stories the same.

It Took Mo 6 years to win a CC and 8 to win a League title without the Hinderence of Salary Cap etc and he did it IMO in small steps!

It's strange the way support for Brian Noble seems to be crystalising the closer we get to his 'termination date'.

Is this just a Wigan thing, do you think?

I detected nothing but frustration with Noble early this season when we were losing every other match and looking like we weren't going to make the play-offs.

Why do some people feel that a poor start to the season and a strong finish is the way forward?

What I mean by hate, is calling for his head, saying he's been sacked and general whinging ... Ect

I've said previously that I think a lot of people are just too nice!

They are grateful to BN for helping save us from relegation and they think we should give him more time, probably feeling guilty about the way we have dispensed with coaches prior to BN. Sometimes, though, tough decisions need to be taken for the good of the club.

BN may be a smashing chap, but for me he's had his chance and whilst he will be remembered, together with Dobbo, for saving Wigan's bacon that season, his time as Wigan coach really hasn't been the success that we all (BN included I'm sure) had hoped for. Perhaps a fresh start at a new club would be the best thing for him, too.

That is the reason I think that noble should be given one more year, although it is looking more and more unlikely that it will happen.

To be honest Rogues (And certain posters will not believe me here!) I am not sure that Noble should be given another year as TBH if he does only want 1 more year then we would only have to go through this again! GOD FORBID!

If the right man in the eyes of IL is available now then I would go for him.

MY MAIN POINT

Is that I don't and didn't belive that sacking a coach Mid way through the season would achieve anything Long Term especially as it didn't seem like we had a replacement immediately available to step in!

I don't think there is a Majority (In fact I would say maybe a 3rd or less) who given a choice between Noble Staying or going would choose for him to stay.

However

I can't believe that some can't understand that defending Noble's record over the last 3 x seasons isn't the same as saying give him another contract for the next 2 x years as he's the best thing since sliced bread!

I think that Most believe that BN is/was an important Stepping stone on the road back to Major success, without him the club would/could have been weaker.

Is he the right man to do the next 3 years, probably not, but would the man who is going to do the next 3 years have been the right man to do what Noble has done over the last 3 years???

I think Noble was the steady, calming, honourable or whatever you want to call it influence that this club needed at that time and sticking with him for the length of his contract was/is the right thing to do.

I don't like However the way that some of those who did want him sacked or don't want him to stay attacked him and in a lot of instances found fault for finding fault's sake purely to try and ridicule the club into making a rash decision in an attempt to achieve short term success.

Well we could try the Hull route.

Seriously, as the IF thread shows we have missed so many opportunities early season.

However, how much of it was Nobles fault.
Roberts dropped ball, at Hull along with Gouldings two errors of judgment.
The deaf referee v HKR.

Ainscough not passing the ball inside v Cas, or not going closer to the posts.

Hock and Ainscough letting the ball go into touch from the kick off v Saints and Saints scoring in the next two sets (one a repeat).
Hocks disallowed try in the same game.


All incidents which could have turned the game, and in effect our season.

I accept that Noble must take ultimate responsibility, but apart from Quins away I don't think we have had much luck.

Fully agree with everything you've said here. Great post.

win a few games noble is best thing since butter pies

lose a few and the true wiganer comes out

stop moaning and stick with what you have.....

Have healthy, reasoned debate, and a true prat comes out.

And look who it is ... again.

How's that £60 million + debt coming along?

I'd concentrate on the issues at your own club.

When are you being relocated to another town where you will get Premier League attendances?

You can see the FA's reaction when it happens - "thank fook for that!"

No it did not. Once Mo, Jack Robinson, Tom Rathbone and Jack Hilton assumed control with Mo as Chairman success was rapid and consistent.

Prior to that momentous event before those four assumed control the club was run by a large committee and it was the one huge step that those four took which placed Mo at the helm. That wasn't a small step but a huge one and once taken success came very quickly.



There are absolutely no parallels in the way Mo chose who coached Wigan or who got signed and what has happened with Noble and the squad.



Mo and the other three members of the gang of four staged their board room coup in 1982. Wigan won its first trophy in 12 years one year later in 1983, the John Player Trophy. In 1984 the club got to Wembley and got beaten by Widnes but returned in 1985 to win it in the epic game v Hull.

We won the championship in 1986 that is four years after Mo assumed the reigns not eight and the world club challenge the next year.

So once in control of the club it took him one year to win a trophy, three years to win the CC not six and four years not eight to win the league.

The way he dealt with coaching appointments from 1982 onwards is well known with few coaches lasting any great length of time (not all sacked for those who assume they were) until Monie arrived.

Your take on the clubs history is wildly inaccurate.

Dave

We signed two players and Rads came out of retirement (for free). We also didn't smash the salary cap. We only paid out up to the the salary cap.

To do that some players wages were deferred, which is a practice allowed in the NRL and it was only the RFL's reaction to the outcry from Cas and others that assumed we had spent more than the cap that got the RFL to decide it wasn't in the spirit of the cap IMO.

It was basically the same team plus two signings and Rads with his dodgy legs not a massive overhaul of the squad.

Dave