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I prefer the new system to the current one. You have to finish in top 4 after 30 league matches so that means no messing around in the regular season which is better for fans.

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Quote: Dougy "I prefer the new system to the current one. You have to finish in top 4 after 30 league matches so that means no messing around in the regular season which is better for fans.'"


Last season
1- Huddersfield
2 Warrington
3 - Leeds
4 - Wigan

1 v 4
2 v 3
If it had been the same format as proposed in 2015, the end result would still have been the same.

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To pick up on a few points/concerns some posters have mentioned...

The MW is set to continue and was mooted as the last round of the 2x12s phase. Though this would perhaps bring it too close to the Challenge Cup final. Logistically the MW will almost certainly have to be in the first league phase despite the sensible point that it would remove an imbalance in the number of home fixtures if played during the second phase. The reason being that people are already complaining (and were doing so before the format was confirmed) that they won't know who they will be paying to watch during the 3x8s phase. Some people are also unhappy that the MW fixtures have not yet been announced. If held in the second part of the season the absolute earliest anyone could know the fixtures would be after round 22 (and that is only if the RFL used a predetermined formula to select fixtures such as 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 5v4 using placings from the first phase(SL9vKPC4, SL10vKPC3, SL11vKPC2, SL12vKPC1 in the middle 8 )). You would then have people complaining and refusing to buy MW tickets through the first 22 rounds as they could not know who their team would play. The RFL would have at most 7 weeks to sell the majority of tickets once the fixtures were known to an event that would be packed into a tight schedule alongside the Challenge Cup final and the GF. I would expect it to remain in May as it is now.

The allocation of 3 or 4 home fixtures during the second phase is determined by league placing in the first phase. Top 4 get 4 home games as a reward for being in the top 4 in the first phase (KPC5 to KPC8 will get 4 home games in the third 8 ). In the middle 8 the 4 KPC teams get the four home fixtures as reward for finishing high up in their league. So a club that decides to sell its second phase games separately from the first phase will have an idea of how many depending on league placing.

The plan is for the top 12 to enter the Challenge Cup at round 5 rather than round 4. That has been known since the plans were first mentioned last year. It was also proposed that a round of the Challenge Cup (possibly two rounds) would occur in the gap between the two league phases to allow time for organising the second phase.

The season ticket issue is a valid concern but there does not seem to be any set policy being dictated on how games are grouped and sold. It will be up to each club to sell tickets as they see fit. Some may sell a ST for the first phase then a 3 or 4 game bolt on ticket for the second phase. Some may sell a first phase ST then have the second phase games as pay on the day like cup and playoff games. Some may sell a whole season ticket covering all 14 or 15 games. Some clubs may offer a range of options at the start of the season whereby individual fans can choose the option they want. Different clubs will take whatever approach they think best suits their situation and fans. Such decisions are what the clubs employ people in marketing and ticket sales for.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Last season
1- Huddersfield
2 Warrington
3 - Leeds
4 - Wigan

1 v 4
2 v 3
If it had been the same format as proposed in 2015, the end result would still have been the same.'"


It would have been a bit different the two previous years though wouldn't it. His point is obviously that a team could no longer rest players knowing that they were going to be top 8 and then coast along before becoming bothered again when the playoffs kick in. With teams in 5th and 6th going all out to get into the top 4 there would be more risk to taking your foot off the gas. It would be less likely that you would see star names making only cameo appearances as we had at the back end of last year.

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so basically it is warning teams 7 games before the real plays offs that you better hurry up and try and finish in the top 4. So why not just change the top 8 and make it a top 4?

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This sport isn't going to be around much longer.

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I think it's a good plan but we need to see more detail.

I would go with a very intense first half of the season where the split to eight teams happens after each team has played each other once. That would be 5 home games, 5 away games and a magic weekend fixture. =11 games.

Then leagues of eight then play home and away, 7 home games and 7 away games. 14 + 11 = 25 regular season games.

Top 5 of each league of eight would go into playoffs.

All points gained in first 11 games of season would be carried over into leagues of eight, meaning the second tier would be very intense as you could have a super league team starting from a 20 point deficit for their final 14 games.

With only 25 regular season games you would have ample time to fit in cup competitions and an international break.

Season tickets should cover 15 games with 12 home regular season games and your choice of three other home or away games in cup or plays offs excluding finals.

Lots of other details to sort out but this would be my base position.

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The growth of international rugby league is arguably more important than that of our domestic league. Can't imagine too many top line players willing to slog it over here and expect to be fresh for the internationals at the end of the year.

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Quote: dubairl "so basically it is warning teams 7 games before the real plays offs that you better hurry up and try and finish in the top 4. So why not just change the top 8 and make it a top 4?'"


I'd go top 5 because that system worked.
If it is to be top 4 then I would go like this

Week 1
Game 1: 1 v 2 - winner through to Grand Final
Game 2: 2 v 4 - loser eliminated

Week 2
Game 3: loser game 1 v winner game 2 - winner through to Grand Final

Week 3 - Grand Final
winner Game 1 v winner game 3

I would also have the Grand Final winner and runner up plus loser of game 3 in an extended world club challenge at the start of the following season.

I don't like the new system and think it will hit season ticket sales hard.

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Not seen it but apparently the local rag over here is reporting that the vote was 7 in favour of the new structure with 6 against, with Catalan abstaining.

Against were:

Wigan
Wire
Hull FC
Hull KR
Hudds
Salford

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It's certainly a strange set up. I can see the idea to keep all teams playing at a competitive level all season as it makes for better watching, makes players better which adds to our national team as we strive for a England team that can play at a high intensity for 80 mins against the Aussies.

However, I'm not sure I like the set up. Teams from the championship playing super league teams to gain promotion isn't ideal for championship clubs. Super league clubs are on a much higher salary cap than championship teams. I just can't see anyone if them beating super league clubs with the recent history of challenge cup blow outs v championship sides. The isn't enough talent to go around super league never mind the championship sides trying to find some to gain promotion.

The crowds for those super league v championship teams could be a disaster. London v Halifax in London could be embarrassing.

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The spectators and clubs won't know until the last week of the 12 team season whether there will be three or four home games in the 8 game part.
That will give the clubs and the RFL less than a week to sort out fixtures (it could be as little as four days if a club plays its last game on Sunday and is selected for the Thursday match)
How are the RFL going to get the fixtures sorted out in that short space of time?

What about the teams who have shared facilities (Wigan , Hull , Huddersfield, Leeds, Salford etc) how do their games get scheduled in the one week timeframe?

I hope the clubs and Superleague have a very good PR machine, because they are going to need it.
Adverts soon to be seen at all clubs "Spin Doctor required" Needs a degree in bull!!

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "The spectators and clubs won't know until the last week of the 12 team season whether there will be three or four home games in the 8 game part.
That will give the clubs and the RFL less than a week to sort out fixtures (it could be as little as four days if a club plays its last game on Sunday and is selected for the Thursday match)
How are the RFL going to get the fixtures sorted out in that short space of time?

What about the teams who have shared facilities (Wigan , Hull , Huddersfield, Leeds, Salford etc) how do their games get scheduled in the one week timeframe?

I hope the clubs and Superleague have a very good PR machine, because they are going to need it.
Adverts soon to be seen at all clubs "Spin Doctor required" Needs a degree in bull!!'"




Good point about shared grounds and add in the likes of Doncaster, Crusaders and Rochdale as well as the Leigh/Swinton ground share and it is fraught with problems especially as some of the football clubs will be looking to stage lucrative friendlies at the time the leagues will split.

A few clubs already do not get on swimmingly with their fellow groundmates and this sort of scenareo will not help matters.

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But the thing is you are all comparing now and not 2015, salary cap in championship will be 900,000 compared to the 400,000 it is now. I can forsee the 2 clubs who get relegated this season plus maybe Fev & Leigh ( maybe fax ) operating with a mainly full time set up from 2015. Now this may not happen but there is a strong possibility that it could happen and if it does puts a total different prospective in things. The middle 8 in 2015 could end up in theory has Bradford, Castleford, Widnes & Hull KR ( bottom 4 in 2015 ) & London, Wakefield, Leigh & Fev ( all full time ) this would IMHO give a very exciting and close play off series for entry into 2016 super league icon_smile.gif

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Quote: The Publican "But the thing is you are all comparing now and not 2015, salary cap in championship will be 900,000 compared to the 400,000 it is now. I can forsee the 2 clubs who get relegated this season plus maybe Fev & Leigh ( maybe fax ) operating with a mainly full time set up from 2015. Now this may not happen but there is a strong possibility that it could happen and if it does puts a total different prospective in things. The middle 8 in 2015 could end up in theory has Bradford, Castleford, Widnes & Hull KR ( bottom 4 in 2015 ) & London, Wakefield, Leigh & Fev ( all full time ) this would IMHO give a very exciting and close play off series for entry into 2016 super league

Who's playing for that? Hull KR came out and publicly said they need an 8,000 average attendance to make a profit not one of those clubs you mention have the potential to get anywhere near that.

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