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| Quote: Father Ted "Shaun Wane will appeal to the NZW due to him getting Wigan to the top of the league and keeping them there. He has lost senior players, replaced them and still Wigan are top of the League.
His pack is now very big and will get bigger when A Powell joins the club. They are also aggressive without being illdisciplined yet skillful. Wigan has a good youth structure yet is nothing compared to number of players available in NZ.
It won't have gone un noticed either that his team are playing very fast, skillfull, entertaining and best of all winning Rugby.'"
They may have noticed all that (apart from being top of the league which they won't care about) but to give him a head coaches role on the back of 18 months as a first grade coach here would be a shock. What they will also have noticed is we didn't win anything of note last year losing two games in the CC and play-offs where arguably his selections were a big factor.
He is an unproven coach and while we are top of the league what will show us how good he is (and how good our team is) is what happens in this next half of the season. While as Cruncher says he can only play what is in front of him its still a fact most of it is rubbish and that can't be lost on the NZ'ers either.
Quote: Father Ted "After SW's comments about having the desire to coach in the NRL I'm sure a guy as smart as Shaun won't have come out with all that if it wasn't already a done deal. NZW are joint bottom of the NRL and the chances of Elliot being there next years are probably minus zero.
If he goes good luck and good fortune to him.'"
As I said it would be a shock for such an inexperienced coach to get a head coaches job in the NRL but if he does go then even if he picks a trophy up this year he won't have proved himself as a great Wigan coach like Monie and I always thought he wanted to do that. To bail out so soon would seem very strange.
Maybe IL has already told him he's off!
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| I can't believe that this is a thread at all.
Shaun Wane is Wigan through and through and will not be going anywhere unless pushed. He has confounded his critics this season and is producing a side that has played superb rugby. Finch, Lulu, Lima, George and Hock have NOT been missed at all. He has conjured up a developing half back combination that whilst not exactly Gregory and Edwards is functioning pretty well. Faz has become a world class performer and Thornley is looking better every game. The young forwards have confounded everyone's expectations. I'm so impressed with Scott Taylor and Ben Flower and on Sunday he could even afford to spell Gil Dudson who has been exceptional. Added to that is my vote for young player of the year Greg Burke, who is a future GB captain never mind Wigan.
We may not even win anything this year, although I believe that Leeds and Warrington are weaker than last year. I think Huddersfield have a formidable pack and probably the best kicking half back in Super League at the moment and could be our strongest challengers. Shaun is building a dynasty at Wigan that will last for a long time.
No more talk of the NRL. He is here to stay for a good few years yet.
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| Quote: DaveO "They may have noticed all that (apart from being top of the league which they won't care about) but to give him a head coaches role on the back of 18 months as a first grade coach here would be a shock. What they will also have noticed is we didn't win anything of note last year losing two games in the CC and play-offs where arguably his selections were a big factor.
Since when was being top of the league nothing to care about?
Other sports fans in this country can't understand how you can become Super League champions without actually winning the league. Surely the best team is the team that beat all the others over a season having played everyone home and away. The play offs are quite simply a lottery. The best team has already been decided, but Sky need to have a Grand Final to finish the season in style to justify the money they spend on the game. This is proved by the fifth best team winning the thing. Last two years Wigan and Warrington have been the best two teams in Super League, and anyone who watches the sport with any degree of understanding would recognise that. If the team in eighth place won it this year would you happily call them champions? How could any team be champions having lost more games than they won?
Anyone who argues that Leeds planned the season to come fifth is clearly barking. Rugby League players try their hardest in every game. Name one game in which Leeds weren't trying last season. They came fifth because there were 4 better teams. In the land of super League Alex Ferguson would have won bugger all "13 championships that's rubbish - how many times did you win the FA Cup?"
We lost the semi at Huddersfield because Sam had a mare in the first half and then the ref gave them two tries which weren't and in the play off we lost by ONE point having played the whole game without a hooker and without our best attacker. How is any of that Shaun Wane's fault?
This mean spirited attitude that gives the man no credit for topping the table yet is happy to criticise him for losing a one-off game based on all sorts of variables does you no credit.
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "
You're missing the point. This latest idea - that whatever Shaun Wane wins, he'll still be crap, because the rest of the league is crapper still - is the final blow in the war to oust him.
This 'logic' appears to have evolved since we started 2013 massively weaker in terms of personnel and yet Wane's team continued to deliver exceptional performances, thus bemusing and marginalising the skeptics even more. But there is no real answer to this latest charge, because even if he wins both trophies, they can still say that he did it by default.
I don't think anyone would argue that we need a better competition in SL, but the league was equally weak when Michael Maguire was Wigan coach, yet we never hear it said that he achieved what he achieved because there was no opposition. It's really a spurious and loaded argument.
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| Quote: Cruncher "
I think you're exaggerating here. A war to oust him? Really? There does seem to be plenty who can't face the fact that he is currently exceeding our expectations (yours included, I suspect) but I don't see any "Wane out" campaign in all honesty.
Personally, I was troubled when Madge left because I couldn't see how we couldn't give SW his deserved shot. To me, he has proved himself certainly capable of leading this club and has allayed my fears. This young team might well run out of steam this season but they are proving me wrong so far and long may it continue. If they do blow up we will still be better set for the future than any other SL club and that is down to SW and IL. It's not necessary to agree with them 100% to acknowledge that overall they do a good job.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "
Okay, I'll accept the reprimand.
Perhaps I should just hang fire on this debate until the end of the season. If we've won nothing by then, I too will feel frustrated by Wane. On the other hand, if we've won the Challenge Cup and/or the Grand Final, then it's the Wane skeptics who'll look pretty foolish.
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| Quote: Cruncher "
And/Or the League
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "
I think the skeptics would still be unhappy with Wane to be honest, though winning the LLS two years on the trot would be quite an achievement for most fans of professional sport.
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| Quote: Cruncher "
Fans of any football/cricket team would be laughing themselves silly at some of the posts on here. You only have to read the Leeds boards to know what they think of Brian McDermott over the last two seasons. Of course it all went well for them in the end but deep down they know that Wigan and Warrington are /were better teams.
For anyone who really thinks finishing fifth and winning the GF is a better team than that which finished top of the league and losing in a cup semi ~ well, that way lies insanity.
All this nonsense about peaking at the end of the season is what Brian Noble used to argue, and look what everyone on here thought of him.
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "For anyone who really thinks finishing fifth and winning the GF is a better team than that which finished top of the league and losing in a cup semi ~ well, that way lies insanity.'"
Conveniently ignoring that they beat Catalans (4th), us (1st) and Warrington (2nd) in consecutive weeks in knock out games. IMO Leeds would have won last year under any play off system, and I think a champion team should be the one that beats the best in all or nothing games, not the one that is best at beating poor opposition week after week.
Quote: Aboveusonlypie "All this nonsense about peaking at the end of the season is what Brian Noble used to argue, and look what everyone on here thought of him.'"
It makes absolute sense under this system. The problem is Noble's teams didn't manage to peak at the end of the season like Leeds do, they got beat in the semis. Having said that I think of Noble very highly, he took us from being nailed-on for relegation halfway through '06 to semi finals in '07-'09. We were only 4 points off the final too in the latter two seasons. Do others really have such a poor view of him?
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| Quote: Grimmy "Conveniently ignoring that they beat Catalans (4th), us (1st) and Warrington (2nd) in consecutive weeks in knock out games. IMO Leeds would have won last year under any play off system, and I think a champion team should be the one that beats the best in all or nothing games, not the one that is best at beating poor opposition week after week.
It makes absolute sense under this system. The problem is Noble's teams didn't manage to peak at the end of the season like Leeds do, they got beat in the semis. Having said that I think of Noble very highly, he took us from being nailed-on for relegation halfway through '06 to semi finals in '07-'09. We were only 4 points off the final too in the latter two seasons. Do others really have such a poor view of him?'"
And aren't you conveniently forgetting that whilst Leeds had a warm up game at home to wakey Catalan had all the fight smashed out of them at the DW. Just reward for being a better league team than Leeds?
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "And aren't you conveniently forgetting that whilst Leeds had a warm up game at home to wakey Catalan had all the fight smashed out of them at the DW. Just reward for being a better league team than Leeds?'"
Swings and roundabouts. We easily mauled Les Cats at home, had a week off, then still got beat by Leeds who had beat Wakey then won a real tough close game away at Les Cats back to back in the same time. The only way Leeds wouldn't have won the league last year is if there were no form of play offs at all. They won the big knock out games against the top teams three weeks in a row, which is what it would always come down to.
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| Quote: Grimmy "It makes absolute sense under this system. The problem is Noble's teams didn't manage to peak at the end of the season like Leeds do, they got beat in the semis. Having said that I think of Noble very highly, he took us from being nailed-on for relegation halfway through '06 to semi finals in '07-'09. We were only 4 points off the final too in the latter two seasons. Do others really have such a poor view of him?'"
I seem to remember that in all of the Noble years (excluding 06) Wigan completed the season in a lack luster position and peaked to get to a point well above were the league position would have had Wigan. The fact that the team simply didn't have the ability to keep the peak against better sides going doesn't remove the fact that the team peaked and punched above it's weight.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Conveniently ignoring that they beat Catalans (4th), us (1st) and Warrington (2nd) in consecutive weeks in knock out games. IMO Leeds would have won last year under any play off system, and I think a champion team should be the one that beats the best in all or nothing games, not the one that is best at beating poor opposition week after week.'"
correct sir
us rhinos fans can't wait for the next side to win a gf from 5th although i personally don't believe it will ever happen again nor will winning 3 gf's in a row....unless we do it again this season
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| Just posted this on the signings page but a mate of mine has just spoke to Waney after the game today, apparently hes said he is off to New Zealand Warriors at the end of the season.
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