Indeed

i have a 'nothing to lose' feeling about tomorrow and am fair looking forward to it

well at least the back end of the season all the young lads will have had a fair few games under their belt and as long as they finish top 6 they could still be in with a great shout.

Or you could have a go at the idiot to whom I was replying, the simple minded ignorance of which provoked my reaction. I take back the point about living memory. I perhaps should have just stated how long it was - 58 years sounds far better.

Seems like wigan fans have selective memories. Early 80s anyone?

Reached the Lancashire Cup Final in 1980, won the John Player in 1982, reached the Challenge Cup Final in 1984. Won the Challenge Cup Final in 1985.

Siege mentality comes to mind, a lot of fans have written Wigan off and others are hopefully saying that Wigan will surprise people (without much conviction).
I just think that there comes a time when these young Wigan players who are seen as being the finest crop of players who have come through the ranks for many a year have to face up.

The talk surrounding this match reminds me of a match about 8 years ago Stuart Raper was the coach in a match against Saints.
Wigan turned out a team of kids (Luke Robinson, Kevin Brown) and a rack of players who had been brought in to make a team.
That was one of the most amazing matches I can remember seeing, at the final whistle Raper seemed to be tears and the memory which sticks in my mind was all the young uns mobbing Terry O'Conner for the part he had played in leading them through the match.

But if the young uns have to stand up so has Sean Wane, he has to treat them as adults and by that he has to realise that ruling by fear does not work out to be the best option.
When I say ruling by fear I mean because when he was in charge of the under 20s it was said he was worshipped by the young uns and his word was law. But he seems to have taken the way he coached the young uns in the under 20s into the way he coaches the first team. ( My Word Is Law).
I think this is borne out by the tales on here that he had falling outs with Hock and Fielding and the sooner Sean realises that some players react to a rollicking and others rebel the better coach he will be.

Bloody rubbish Wigan

If you have to go back 30 years to an extended drought that proves rather than undermnines the illustrious history point. Plus, even then, as noted, there were some better than average moments. Gill's winning the John Player for us being a particular highlight amidst the gloom.

Siege mentality, aren't you second favourites for the GF?

Go on the VT. Some are having us down as low sixth.

I'd imagine some peoples' feelings about the club aren't determined by what a few turf accountants think.

We have a good recent history of good back-to-the-wall performances (against Saints sometimes pre-Maguire, Leeds when they were still on their GF run 2010, and last year when we stuffed them with the kids; the last few visits to Huddersfield players down etc) and not so much in the big games where we're expecting a close one (especially SFs, very annoyingly).

I'm hopeful for tonight; expect it to be a good game with little signs of rustiness from either team, but do expect a Wire victory. I'd be backing us more if we were away tbh.

True, but bookies are right far more often than punters.