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Quote: Mr.Side "Your Rafa Benitez and I claim my £5.

You havent had an out and out FB in years who was good until Hodgson but I do remember Hicks and Grose playing there for you, and Reardon at a push, but before that Lee Penny was you number 1 I remember - But we cant forget Darryl Cardiss though

Not Bad,
Hicks was an out and out Winger who played once or twice at Fullback. Grose was actually a centre, who had one good year at fullback, Reardon we thought was going to be a proper fullback for us but he was hopeless under high balls and really his only strength was kick returns, he then got injured and we got rid, and Mathers was our first proper competent full back.(yes competent)

go and Ask Salford Fans if Luke Patten is error free...he wasnt in the NRL and isnt for Salford......many full backs arent.
Even Big Sam made a couple of fumbles live on Sky Tv last time out for you lot....if you like your fullback and you think his good outweighs the bad then your going to let them go arent you.

you didnt like Mathers thats fair enough but to try and tell us he was gash for us is wrong.

Surely if we are going back as far as Lee Penny to name a better full back than Mathers its not hard to see why Wire Fans are inclined to think He did a good job.

He did a good job got two winners medals and has moved on.........nowt else to see here....

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Didnt Ricky Bibey win two challenge cup medals?

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Didn't Leuluai win a world cup?

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Didn't Leuluai win a world cup?'"


No I dont think Kylie has ever played for New Zealand.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Didn't Leuluai win a world cup?'"


Your point being? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: the flying biscuit "Not Bad,
Hicks was an out and out Winger who played once or twice at Fullback. Grose was actually a centre, who had one good year at fullback, Reardon we thought was going to be a proper fullback for us but he was hopeless under high balls and really his only strength was kick returns, he then got injured and we got rid, and Mathers was our first proper competent full back.(yes competent)

go and Ask Salford Fans if Luke Patten is error free...he wasnt in the NRL and isnt for Salford......many full backs arent.
Even Big Sam made a couple of fumbles live on Sky Tv last time out for you lot....if you like your fullback and you think his good outweighs the bad then your going to let them go arent you.

you didnt like Mathers thats fair enough but to try and tell us he was gash for us is wrong.

Surely if we are going back as far as Lee Penny to name a better full back than Mathers its not hard to see why Wire Fans are inclined to think He did a good job.

He did a good job got two winners medals and has moved on.........nowt else to see here....'"


If your club rated him, you'd have kept him for another few years, not replaced him with an Aussie in his 30s (who, while he's a good player, can't have anything like as much fuel left in the tank as Mathers).

When we first signed him, most of us welcomed him because we thought he'd be a good un. He proved us wrong in almost every aspect of his game, except his positive attitude. I can't even accept that you lot thought he was good because you hadn't seen a decent fullback for two decades. A fullback's two basic requirements are to be able to tackle and to field high balls. Mathers did neither for us, and I saw him fail in those departments plenty of times for you.

And the winners medals have nothing to do with it. Plenty of crap players have anaged to accrue winners' medals. All that means is they were in the right place at the right time.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Richie was quality for Leeds then took the opportunity to play in Oz was looking good then had a serious injury that stopped him short, his confidence was shot and Wigan didn't help it.
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Something people seem to forget is that Mathers first came into the Leeds team when Gary Connolly was injured. He then performed so well that when Connolly was available to play, he couldn't get a game and was allowed to return to Wigan on a free transfer.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Didn't Leuluai win a world cup?'"


and the four nations, and a grand final and the MOM in the grand final...

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Quote: Pieman "and the four nations, and a grand final and the MOM in the grand final...'"

not played in many grand finals though has he?

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Quote: lionarmour87 "not played in many grand finals though has he?'"


Got a 100% record IIRC.

Has Sinfield?

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Quote: lionarmour87 "not played in many grand finals though has he?'"


100% record in grand finals and world cups. Is only 25 too.

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Quote: Guerrier "Got a 100% record IIRC.

Has Sinfield?'"

no but Kilie has

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Quote: ABP' "Where would have Mathers have played had he stayed at Warrington this year?

A. We wouldn't look to replace Sam at fullback.
B. If we did, he would still be a key player in the starting 13.

You replaced Mathers at fullback because he wasn't deemed good enough.

Why is that so hard to accept Because it's all just your opinion.

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Quote: lionarmour87 "no but Kilie has'"


So he's better than Sinfield then?

Players can't be judged solely on how many medals they've won/lost. As a Leeds fan, you more than most should know that, as Garry Schofield will attest to with more than a note of bitterness.

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Quote: Mr.Side "Of course he is gash, I mean if you sign a player to replace someone, it means you dont think their up to standard.

Its not hard to understand this.'"

So why resign Hock? Who is the "gashest" player he will replace,Hoffman?given the choice of the two who would you keep,bearing in mind the one you release is "gash",and if you could keep them both who would be the "gashest" player you would release,Farrell,Tuson?

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