I feel for his family to an extent but as for feeling any sympathy for Hock himself.....................not in the slightest!

I'd consider giving him a 2nd chance dependant on a number of issues but he's got what he deserves at this moment in time.

Good.

I recall rumours of a drug culture when Millward was with you and a lack of support to sort it out (sorry if this has been discussed but couldnt be bothered reading all posts)

The players themselves should come together though as a 'team' and have a heart to heart about the situation. You'd like to think that 100% of them are outraged enough in Hocks actions that they'd all agree to club drug tests in future to keep the integrity of the squad at the required level and so that they can all look at each other in the eye each day.

I wouldn't have the slightest problem pis*ing in a pot once every so often if it meant getting rid of these idiots from the team.

I'm not holding my breath though.

Sorry, I don't wish to keep disagreeing with you but you really are getting carried away here. Get a grip man. You're acting like Jonesey off Dad's Army, panicking wildly.

This isn't the spirit that saw us through a potential disaster back in 2006, when as a club we genuinely WERE on the brink of disappearing.

Yeah, because this is the only incident that gives any fan cause for concern. You say recreational like it is less serious, thank goodness people like you arent in charge.



Yes, lets. It shows them that their is a firm hand guiding the club who won't let any such incident happen again, that is the only thing likely to make them stop. If they throw tantrums it just shows what a pathetic bunch of babies we currently see playing for us.

I think we all can see how bad the dressing room is, this imo would make it stronger, they would finally feel like their is some control in the work place. Everyone may finally know what their job is again and we may see them starting to act like pro rl players.



So what do you propose, we leave them to it, certainly worked with Hock didnt it?



You give them far to much credit.

perhaps if we had gone down then we might not be in this position...

I was going to kick off with you and say you are talking a lot of tosh, but TBH you do have a point.

Hock has been caught taking a banned substance, many others do and wouldn't suffer the disgrace that he is going to. You use the analogy of using a mobile and driving which has the potential for far more horrific consequences, but ones that are not guaranteed by driving and using a mobile, it can only be a contributing factor, so I'm not sure its a good analogy.

Hock has done something silly. He will suffer the consequences. But no-one has died and his actions, as far as any actions do, impact him more than anyone else.

Our sportmen are fallible and generally reflect wider society for better and worse. We want them to be better, to be noble, to be role models, but perhaps this is unfair to expect and I am sure that many players don't want this burden. Maybe our hunger for them to be better, to be more noble, is a reflection of our own inadequacies.

Wow, that was deep.

Alan Partridge style

"Ian...Ian...Ian...Ian...Ian, no he cant hear me...IAN...IAN...IAN.........IAN!!!!"

My point was we need to fush out the bad apples.

Good pro's as named above qwould happily give samples as they have nothing to worry about.

It makes a change from Dave



Yeah, the club was in danger in '06, due to bad coaching and recruitment, today imo, it is in danger due to weak leadership, both from Noble & IL. Every week there is some kind of blunder from the club that in Maurices day would have seen RLfans and the Wigan Observers letters page explode, but some posters seem to refuse to acknowledge these things.

Perhaps my "dying on its feet" line was a little dramatic, but im sickened today at yet another gaff that is tearing another shread of pride away from the club that once truely reflected the meaning of the word proud.

It's ok if the players come forward and volunteer as a group but at times like this the club has to look to the likes of Lockers, Richards and Carmont as senior players to work through it together.

IL coming in and forcing mandatory drug tests on players like I said above won’t work and won’t make things better even if the tests come back negative.

Time for the club to come together not divide and that includes the fans as well.