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Quote: WiganRL12345 "

I’m not really sure how I have argued differently before, I can’t recall I have ever said vaccines don’t work and my stance has always been I don’t think the vaccine is right for everyone. However, to be clear I have never once suggested to anyone to not get the vaccine as that would be hypocritical of me to do so.

Regarding employers mandating whether that’s NHS, corporate firms or Wigan Warriors I again don’t agree with that and is my opinion.'"


Your opinion is wrong then. For far too long now (& across all walks of life and not just covid), we've put too much emphasis on not upsetting peoples opinions, no matter how stupid they are or how much of a danger they are.

Apart from if the vaccine was to cause you serious harm, what good reason is there not to have it and why should it be left to individuals to make the decision?

There's loads of examples in life where personal choice is taken away, simply because it's what's best for the individual and society. You have to to school, you can't drink and drive, you can't legally do drugs, you can't do certain jobs without qualifications - all of them + more take away the choice of a person to do what they want. Why?

This vaccine helps fight COViD. A disease that's ravaged through every part of society, across the world. Deaths, job losses, isolation, education, sport etc all paying the price. Quite simply - everyone should be forced to have the vaccine as it helps reduce the impact of the disease. It really is that simple. You'd think after 2 years of upheaval it would be clear as day, but no there's always someone who bleats on about their rights or plays the victim card.
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Quote: sergeant pepper "Your opinion is wrong then. For far too long now (& across all walks of life and not just covid), we've put too much emphasis on not upsetting peoples opinions, no matter how stupid they are or how much of a danger they are.

Apart from if the vaccine was to cause you serious harm, what good reason is there not to have it and why should it be left to individuals to make the decision?

There's loads of examples in life where personal choice is taken away, simply because it's what's best for the individual and society. You have to to school, you can't drink and drive, you can't legally do drugs, you can't do certain jobs without qualifications - all of them + more take away the choice of a person to do what they want. Why?

This vaccine helps fight COViD. A disease that's ravaged through every part of society, across the world. Deaths, job losses, isolation, education, sport etc all paying the price. Quite simply - everyone should be forced to have the vaccine as it helps reduce the impact of the disease. It really is that simple. You'd think after 2 years of upheaval it would be clear as day, but no there's always someone who bleats on about their rights or plays the victim card.'"


Not sure how an opinion can be wrong it’s an opinion not factual.

However, to elaborate on what you say and the loads of examples where personal choice is taken away I will say you are wrong.

Going to school - You don’t have to ‘go’ to school there is no law to enforce that
Drink and drive - Whilst it’s against the law to drive above the legal limit people can and do decide to do that. No way am I condoning it
Taking drugs - Again against the law but people choose to do so, also what is illegal in the UK is legal in other countries
Jobs without qualifications? Fair enough but slightly different to putting something in your body as a person picking a career has endless other opportunities whereas, someone being forced to to have a vaccine they don’t want doesn’t.

By the way please show me where I have ‘played’ the victim card.
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There are definitely laws about going to school.

Just to throw it out there....

In certain professions you need to undergo regular medicals in order to remain in employment. Perhaps we should do away with them because someone may wish to eat a chippy tea 7 days a week?
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Quote: WiganRL12345 "Not sure how an opinion can be wrong it’s an opinion not factual.

However, to elaborate on what you say and the loads of examples where personal choice is taken away I will say you are wrong.

Going to school - You don’t have to ‘go’ to school there is no law to enforce that
Drink and drive - Whilst it’s against the law to drive above the legal limit people can and do decide to do that. No way am I condoning it
Taking drugs - Again against the law but people choose to do so, also what is illegal in the UK is legal in other countries
Jobs without qualifications? Fair enough but slightly different to putting something in your body as a person picking a career has endless other opportunities whereas, someone being forced to to have a vaccine they don’t want doesn’t.

By the way please show me where I have ‘played’ the victim card.'"


You have a special talent for not answering questions...

What possible reason (apart from threat to your life) is there not to make everyone have the vaccine?

Of course an opinion can be wrong btw and that's exactly what's wrong with society. You can have an opinion that the earth is flat, doesn't mean it's correct and that you shouldn't be told that in unequivocal terms. Even if that upsets sensitivities.

Every anti vax person is playing the victim card. The "my choice", "my body my rights" BS that keeps getting spouted. It's selfishness of the highest order.
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Quote: Egg Chasing "There are definitely laws about going to school.

Just to throw it out there....

In certain professions you need to undergo regular medicals in order to remain in employment. Perhaps we should do away with them because someone may wish to eat a chippy tea 7 days a week?'"


He's being pedantic (who'd have thought it). You need to be in education from the age of 5. You don't need to "go" to a school for it.

Sums up the whole argument and moving goal posts to suit a small section of a narrative.
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Quote: sergeant pepper "He's being pedantic (who'd have thought it). You need to be in education from the age of 5. You don't need to "go" to a school for it.

Sums up the whole argument and moving goal posts to suit a small section of a narrative.'"


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Quote: sergeant pepper "You have a special talent for not answering questions...

What possible reason (apart from threat to your life) is there not to make everyone have the vaccine?

Of course an opinion can be wrong btw and that's exactly what's wrong with society. You can have an opinion that the earth is flat, doesn't mean it's correct and that you shouldn't be told that in unequivocal terms. Even if that upsets sensitivities.

Every anti vax person is playing the victim card. The "my choice", "my body my rights" BS that keeps getting spouted. It's selfishness of the highest order.'"


Apologies, I didn’t answer that question I missed it but here you go.

Caught covid, recovered and have natural immunity
Don’t know for sure that it won’t cause serious harm and then too late
No accountability on any of the companies whilst it is being trialled
Not enough research on children/babies

Please show me where I have said I am a victim, I just believe in pro choice.

I will go back a few pages where I said it’s clear people on here are wanting vaccine mandate and was called out and said that wasn’t true…
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Quote: Pieman "not at the time no, was at the start'"


It must have been an awful time for front line staff throughout this but particularly so before the vaccines were developed
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Quote: WiganRL12345 "Apologies, I didn’t answer that question I missed it but here you go.

Caught covid, recovered and have natural immunity
Don’t know for sure that it won’t cause serious harm and then too late
No accountability on any of the companies whilst it is being trialled
Not enough research on children/babies

Please show me where I have said I am a victim, I just believe in pro choice.

I will go back a few pages where I said it’s clear people on here are wanting vaccine mandate and was called out and said that wasn’t true…'"


So more conspiracy theories then. Gov's around the world haven't just winged it and thought "nah, doesn't matter about making sure it's safe. Let's just give it to everyone".

Is the last sentence a wind up? Jukes clearly says 99% haven't called for mandated vaccines. I'm calling for it, others aren't.
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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "It must have been an awful time for front line staff throughout this but particularly so before the vaccines were developed'"


yeah pal, my sister is still very very bitter about it all
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Quote: sergeant pepper "So more conspiracy theories then. Gov's around the world haven't just winged it and thought "nah, doesn't matter about making sure it's safe. Let's just give it to everyone".

Is the last sentence a wind up? Jukes clearly says 99% haven't called for mandated vaccines. I'm calling for it, others aren't.'"


The question now seems to be about Mandates etc.
99% seem to be in agreement that they shouldn't be mandated

In relation to this there are now multiple people calling for it
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This is best thread on any forum at minute. Like a graveyard on Rhino’s board……!
Keep it coming fellas!
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Quote: Egg Chasing "There are definitely laws about going to school.

Just to throw it out there....

In certain professions you need to undergo regular medicals in order to remain in employment. Perhaps we should do away with them because someone may wish to eat a chippy tea 7 days a week?'"

The law states that parents have to provide their children with an education. Is as grey e as that. Can be school, home school, online, whatever. As long as you can evidence you are providing an education it’s very flexible.
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Quote: Shabino "The law states that parents have to provide their children with an education. Is as grey e as that. Can be school, home school, online, whatever. As long as you can evidence you are providing an education it’s very flexible.'"


Home school is still school icon_wink.gif
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Quote: WiganRL12345 "The question now seems to be about Mandates etc.
99% seem to be in agreement that they shouldn't be mandated

In relation to this there are now multiple people calling for it'"


There is a difference between a full mandate for the whole country, and individual business/company mandates etc.

What I meant was that 99% are in agreement that a nationwide mandate isn't correct
The split/slightly bigger disagreement is over whether individual organisations/businesses etc should be able to employ or not based on vaccine status and/ or dismiss their own employ people based on this.

It seems quite common that words/statements are twisted when 99% know what is meant by them
Another one is in reply to vaccines work, you get a reply of "it doesn't stop everyone dying". Not it doesn't, but the point is it stops 10/20/30 whatever the times of people from dyiing, so you get the point.
Same with catching it/transmitting it, because it isn't 100% then people pick holes in the argument and say " it doesn't stop you getting it or passing it on" when even if it doesn't, it vastly decreases the likelihood of getting or spreading it so it works.

Now we have people saying you "Don't gave to go to school".
Christ, we all know kW what is meant by the statement, and the aim of being pedantic, deflect, distracted is to give a perception that there is dou t etc and then the whole.conspiracy (it's just a different opinion icon_rolleyes.gif ) starts.

I'd love to have been the head of that hospital who was "Served papers" by the anti vax mob quoting "Plandemic" and nuremberg crimes blah blah blah BS BS BS

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... 17a9%3famp

I'd have dropped em straight in the bin, called security, and laughed my head off at them
The only bright side is Americas about 10 x times worse, my only.concern is that we usually catch up about 10/15 years later after the barmpots over there.

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Always liked Neil Young
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... n-1290020/
Quote: WiganRL12345 "The question now seems to be about Mandates etc.
99% seem to be in agreement that they shouldn't be mandated

In relation to this there are now multiple people calling for it'"


There is a difference between a full mandate for the whole country, and individual business/company mandates etc.

What I meant was that 99% are in agreement that a nationwide mandate isn't correct
The split/slightly bigger disagreement is over whether individual organisations/businesses etc should be able to employ or not based on vaccine status and/ or dismiss their own employ people based on this.

It seems quite common that words/statements are twisted when 99% know what is meant by them
Another one is in reply to vaccines work, you get a reply of "it doesn't stop everyone dying". Not it doesn't, but the point is it stops 10/20/30 whatever the times of people from dyiing, so you get the point.
Same with catching it/transmitting it, because it isn't 100% then people pick holes in the argument and say " it doesn't stop you getting it or passing it on" when even if it doesn't, it vastly decreases the likelihood of getting or spreading it so it works.

Now we have people saying you "Don't gave to go to school".
Christ, we all know kW what is meant by the statement, and the aim of being pedantic, deflect, distracted is to give a perception that there is dou t etc and then the whole.conspiracy (it's just a different opinion icon_rolleyes.gif ) starts.

I'd love to have been the head of that hospital who was "Served papers" by the anti vax mob quoting "Plandemic" and nuremberg crimes blah blah blah BS BS BS

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... 17a9%3famp

I'd have dropped em straight in the bin, called security, and laughed my head off at them
The only bright side is Americas about 10 x times worse, my only.concern is that we usually catch up about 10/15 years later after the barmpots over there.

Edit
Always liked Neil Young
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... n-1290020/
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