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Quote: DaveO "If you think this is all part of a sensible plan by Wane I think you are well wide of the mark. Winning next week won't prove it was a master stroke of tactics either. If we win next week it will be despite what has occurred in the last seven matches not because if it.'"


I don't think it's a plan to lose any game.

I hope, I really do hope, that it is a sign that Wane is picking the matches to put 100% effort in at the business end of the season.

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Quote: wigan pie man "last year was down to Wane flogging the players to death trying to win every single game.

this year is somewhat different.
We were winning at will early season, then dipped in form. Plenty thought it was injuries combined with Wanes policy of resting players.
We had a massive upturn in form to hammer the Broncos in the semi-final, after smashing Widnes out of sight when plenty predicted a close game based on our form, then it was back to playing rubbish.

I have no doubt whatsoever that we will win at Wembley, the question is why ?

I wish i knew the answer.
But i am torn between Wanes brilliant tactics to get us a favourable final league position to give us an easier route to old trafford, with fresh players , and the theory that Wanes lost the plot and the changing rooms and the players are picking and choosing when to turn up.'"


Exactly.

We can only hope for the former.

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Quote: pies-r-us "The more I read about this lose to win formula just convinces me more about the complete ineptitude in the structure of the play-offs. For some strange reason I keep feeling that the fan is being short changed if the formula is correct.'"


Of course the structure is broken. However, teams who treat every game like a final and burn out towards the end (i.e. Wigan last season) are fools.

The supporters who turn up week in, week out surely must realise that the regular season is a warm up for the playoffs?

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How do you turn a losing streak with no form into a Wembley winning performance? If players are dropping balls week in week out that won't suddenly change next Saturday. Swapping players each week doesn't help to fine tune the basic of skills such has holding onto a ball. Luckily for us Josh is on fire who ever is on his inside but Pat isn't fine tuning anything except his kick offs. Its good to rest legs for Wembley because its an energy sapping pitch but watching the recent run of form from HH Moose Mac and Faz doesn't inspire confidence. Just of note, Pat hasnt been getting the regular kicks to his wing, is this just a lack of ball rentention, a loss of the plot or a deliberate ploy to disguise a key strategy for the final?

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Quote: wigan pie man "

I wish i knew the answer.
But i am torn between Wanes brilliant tactics to get us a favourable final league position to give us an easier route to old trafford, with fresh players '"


Damn, Leeds victories these past few years really have f*cked with peoples logic on the situation.

What could be an easier route than finishing 1st and getiing 2 home games to old trafford with a week off, against 4th place in week one, and then most likely 4th place again or someone lower as you get to pick who you play. You get 2 home games, against lower ranked teams, with a week off.

That is the best route.

I'll get castigated on here, but finishing lower down wasn't good until leeds ''made'' it good. Now, by some warped logic, as soon as you get to the business end of the season it's somehow better to take your foot off the gas and drop a few positions.

That sentence you wrote right there is one of the most bizzare i've read on here. You were basically saying, losing games, to get lower placing, to get easier route.

In 2009 leeds finished top under the current system. They played hull kr, who were a tough nut to crack at the time, finishing 4th, but top against 4th at home in a playoff situation should be a win for top spot. Then you are one home game away from the final and theres always the chance one of the lower ranked teams causes a few upsets, you get to pick them and they are lambs to the slaughter. On this occasion leeds got catalans. Easy. Through to the final.

The reality is of course there is no easy route, so if you are looking for one you are a onto a loser right there. But the [ieasier[/i route is top spot. Don't let warped logic cloud this.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Damn, Leeds victories these past few years really have f*cked with peoples logic on the situation.

What could be an easier route than finishing 1st and getiing 2 home games to old trafford with a week off, against 4th place in week one, and then most likely 4th place again or someone lower as you get to pick who you play. You get 2 home games, against lower ranked teams, with a week off.

That is the best route.

I'll get castigated on here, but finishing lower down wasn't good until leeds ''made'' it good. Now, by some warped logic, as soon as you get to the business end of the season it's somehow better to take your foot off the gas and drop a few positions.

That sentence you wrote right there is one of the most bizzare i've read on here. You were basically saying, losing games, to get lower placing, to get easier route.

In 2009 leeds finished top under the current system. They played hull kr, who were a tough nut to crack at the time, finishing 4th, but top against 4th at home in a playoff situation should be a win for top spot. Then you are one home game away from the final and theres always the chance one of the lower ranked teams causes a few upsets, you get to pick them and they are lambs to the slaughter. On this occasion leeds got catalans. Easy. Through to the final.

The reality is of course there is no easy route, so if you are looking for one you are a onto a loser right there. But the [ieasier[/i route is top spot. Don't let warped logic cloud this.'"


I think it's about balance.

Balancing the "easier route" with having fresh players hitting form when it matters.

The latter is more advantageous than the former.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "I think it's about balance.

Balancing the "easier route" with having fresh players hitting form when it matters.

The latter is more advantageous than the former.'"


Agreed. It was no suprise that pearl of wisdom came from wigan pie man, the most clueless poster ever seen on these boards.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "I think it's about balance.

Balancing the "easier route" with having fresh players hitting form when it matters.

The latter is more advantageous than the former.'"


How do you hit form when it matters? Is it by tactically being out of form a few weeks before?

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Damn, Leeds victories these past few years really have f*cked with peoples logic on the situation.

What could be an easier route than finishing 1st and getiing 2 home games to old trafford with a week off, against 4th place in week one, and then most likely 4th place again or someone lower as you get to pick who you play. You get 2 home games, against lower ranked teams, with a week off.

That is the best route.

I'll get castigated on here, but finishing lower down wasn't good until leeds ''made'' it good. Now, by some warped logic, as soon as you get to the business end of the season it's somehow better to take your foot off the gas and drop a few positions.

That sentence you wrote right there is one of the most bizzare i've read on here. You were basically saying, losing games, to get lower placing, to get easier route.

In 2009 leeds finished top under the current system. They played hull kr, who were a tough nut to crack at the time, finishing 4th, but top against 4th at home in a playoff situation should be a win for top spot. Then you are one home game away from the final and theres always the chance one of the lower ranked teams causes a few upsets, you get to pick them and they are lambs to the slaughter. On this occasion leeds got catalans. Easy. Through to the final.

The reality is of course there is no easy route, so if you are looking for one you are a onto a loser right there. But the [ieasier[/i route is top spot. Don't let warped logic cloud this.'"

It takes a lot of effort to finish top, especially when you make the CC final. Plus the bottom line is I'd rather play Huddersfield than Leeds or Wire in the play offs, beat them and we're at home in week 3 anyway.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How do you hit form when it matters? Is it by tactically being out of form a few weeks before?'"


You would have to ask those in the know about the underlying reasons around the apparent dip in form.

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The most striking aspect for me last night was the lack of enthusiasm. The little simple things in the game for example getting up quickly and set at the markers. On one occasion Catalans had a scrum with 10 mins to go 10 m out from their own line, did we make an effort to stop the clock? Nope, not a chance.

We can only hope this masterplan for peaking in big games will come off next week. However, I'm not sure you can turn form on like a tap...

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How do you hit form when it matters? Is it by tactically being out of form a few weeks before?'"


You would increase training intensity in a cycle beforehand, so to be at peak peformance in september and october you'd be training yourself into the ground now then easing off for the playoffs. So if a team has an increased workload during the week their performances are likely to be flatter.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Agreed. It was no suprise that pearl of wisdom came from wigan pie man, the most clueless poster ever seen on these boards.'"


thanks for the vote of confidence icon_confused.gif

as BK says, its about going into the KO stage with freshish players.
We burned out last season, and i am expecting Hudds to burn out this time around...hence i want to play them

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Quote: NickyKiss "I was sat having a think about why our form keeps falling off a cliff at the back end of every season since 2011 and I've come to the conclusion that it's because of the constant departures that are either rumoured or confirmed. I think they affect the guys who are staying as much as the ones leaving. It must be as frustrating for the players staying as it is for the fans to keep seeing the team ripped up with no signs from Ian Lenagan that he can, or even wants to stop it happening.

In 2011 we lost lads like Hoffman, Joel, Deacon and Coley. We then lost guys like Leuluai, Carmont, Finch, Lima and Fielden last year and will lose Richards, Mossop, Tuson and obviously Tomkins this year. You can even look in to the future and see the departures of guys like Charnley and Hansen coming a mile off.

It's so scary seeing all those names written down. The quality and cap space that has gone out of the door in comparison to what has come in is just doesn't stack up IMO.'"


I've been saying it for a while, the sheer quality that's gone and continues to go against what we bring in(good players that they are) is very scary and i just can't understand it.

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Quote: pies-r-us "The more I read about this lose to win formula just convinces me more about the complete ineptitude in the structure of the play-offs. For some strange reason I keep feeling that the fan is being short changed if the formula is correct.'"


Correct. Any Wigan fan who attended the Hudds game feels the same.

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