So basically what Brown is and everyone is complaining about?

He was that bad against Wire, and he was equally bad against yourselves at Murrayfield. What's all this about him having a good kicking game. You got rid of him because he wasn't Wigan 'class,' and he still isn't.
As for McGoldrick, do you want a penalty machine?

You' re entitled to your opinion re Brown (even if it is wrong)



The McGoldrick thing was a gentle dig at Rogues actually.

If I'd mentioned McGoldrick or said anything about how good a kicking game Brown has (or for that matter, ANYONE had said ANYTHING about how good a kicking game he has), I'd give you more than the 10 seconds your post is worth.

Well the argument seems to be ed around if he really is any good

Personally i think he comes up with some excellent plays but goes missing in too many games, a bit like leon pryce, id much rather have a honest workhorse

well thats fair enough then. tbh i dont want him myself anyway Id rather that dedicated 7 everyone else wants, a prop and probably a centre too unless does anyone know if carmont is renewed yet?

For me, the centre issue is a big one.

To start with, I don't see any halfback anywhere in GB - apart from Eastmond (who will not stay in RL, never mind come to Wigan) - who I would cheerfully see Tommy L dropped for. Even Ratchford, who is very promising, would find it difficult getting a first team shirt (though I'd hope we are sniffing around him if he's truly available).

We have to face the fact that, if we are genuinely looking for a new play-making halfback rather than just another support man like Deacs, this would involve dropping Tommy to the role of bench player, which I doubt he'd accept easily, if at all. There would be some fall-out in the team and among the fans.

However, no-one would deny that Carmont's shirt will soon be up for grabs. And again, barring a big (and very unlikely Aussie signing), I can't see anyone over here who is a likely candidate to fill it, apart possibly from Shenton - though, in a naff Castleford team he's starting to look overrated, plus he's not IL's type (i.e. he has no Wigan connections), and he's probably going to Saints anyway. Kevin Brown, however, could fill the no. 4 shirt very adequately, and at the same time provide cover for the halves without pushing any of the current halves' noses out.

That said, of course, we have two very exciting young centres in the reserves, so maybe this is a load of kerfuffle over nothing.

The upshot is that Brown might be the sort of versatile signing we could make good use of, but whether versatility is something IL and MM are currently looking for is another matter.

I know I'm repeating a point I made earlier but its an important one - Brown would not take a centre shirt at Wigan or anywhere else. And that's not just based on my personal opinion, its based on a conversation I had with Brown a year or so ago when he said and I quote - "I'm a halfback, I love playing halfback and its stupid to play me anywhere else".

It'll all depend on what is happening to Riddell. If he goes (and I hope he doesn't, as I've been one of his biggest backers) then it's a possibility that Tommy will go to hooker with Sam at 7 and brown at 6.

As you all know I am not a fan of scooter hookers, which is the role that Tommy plays when at 9.

I have always been a big Kevin Brown fan, and would like to see him back at Wigan, but I'm not sure how he would fit into the jigsaw. One thing is for sure, if he was to come back then Maguire must have a plan and a position for him.

Can you think of others who have come back and been a success?

If he was being totally honest with you - to the point where he would refuse a Wigan deal if he can't get a guarantee he'll be playing regularly in the halves, then I guess he won't be coming to Wigan.

I don't think any player at Wigan is these days in a position to dictate where and when he will play.

Very few come back and are a success. Betts was a disappointment on his return and he was probably on twice as much money as his first stint. Connolly was good in his second stint but not as good as his first.

I can't think of any player who's returned to us whilst still in their prime. Brown would be the first in my memory.

does Joel Tomkins count after his brief spell at widnes?