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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"if you run someone over through a reckless disregard for safety then yes.
If you want to pretend O'loughlin is angel who wouldnt dare throw himself into a tackle knowing full well he will likely be late then fine. I dont mind. But every team, in every league trys it, maybe Wigan are different, maybe they are making a subtle stand for the Corinthian spirit of sport and everything illegal or bit naughty they do is completely accidental, who knows
But all other 13 teams in SL do it, they will all take the risk of hitting the playmaker late to try and intimidate him and put him off his game, they will all rather hit him late than not hit him, we see it numerous times a game, asking your props to put themselves about a little in retribution is hardly something to get your knickers in a twist about, this isnt ballet'"
Mate, you really can't distinguish between something that happens as a result of persuing the game and something instigated outside the rules, can you? No one is suggesting the game isn't hard or that foul play doesn't occur. As I said earlier, if you are unable to tell the difference your contibution to this debate is rendered meaningless.
Let's just try one more time. If someone is accidently shot as a consequence of a hunting accident is this the same as someone going out with a gun to shoot someone deliberately? Now, I can't for a minute believe you genuinely don't know the difference, in which case, why are you struggling with the concept of someone being challenged late as a consequence of something that goes on in the game as opposed to players deliberately going out to hit/hurt/injure players? Surely it's not that difficult a concept to grasp?
I'm not even saying that O'Loughlin's tackle shouldn't have been penalised. It was, by the rules of the game, worthy of a penalty which is exactly what it got. I also don't see the problem with forwards going out to intimidate other players as long as it's done legally. In fact, it's a major part of the game. This is not what you're defending here. You're defending the right of coaches to send out players with the sole intent of attacking opposition players just because said coach doesn't want to be subject to the same laws as everyone else!! You rightly say this isn't ballet. But it isn't a mugging either! 
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"if you run someone over through a reckless disregard for safety then yes.
If you want to pretend O'loughlin is angel who wouldnt dare throw himself into a tackle knowing full well he will likely be late then fine. I dont mind. But every team, in every league trys it, maybe Wigan are different, maybe they are making a subtle stand for the Corinthian spirit of sport and everything illegal or bit naughty they do is completely accidental, who knows
But all other 13 teams in SL do it, they will all take the risk of hitting the playmaker late to try and intimidate him and put him off his game, they will all rather hit him late than not hit him, we see it numerous times a game, asking your props to put themselves about a little in retribution is hardly something to get your knickers in a twist about, this isnt ballet'"
Looking after the little guys is something we were always taught, but that was done behind closed doors. Brown has now made at least two PUBLIC statements to this effect, boasting that his tough guys will take care of business if the ref doesn't.
It's the public aspect of this that's the problem. It's the sort thing Danny Dyer comes out with in lads' mags. A bit pathetic really.
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| Quote ComeOnYouWolves="ComeOnYouWolves"Here's Tony Smiths take on it from the Warrington Guardian. Seems like he thinks Brown was out of order making the comments and then goes on to mention our "enforcers". Makes for an interesting game come Saturday....
[urlhttp://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/wolves/wolvesnews/8150162.Smith__Headache_to_select_the_Warrington_team/[/url'"
Tony Smith is hardly going to back Nathan Brown is he when he was named along with Cummins quoted as saying we can't ban all players because there would'nt be enough quality one's left!! 
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| Quote SHIPLEYGIANT="SHIPLEYGIANT"Tony Smith is hardly going to back Nathan Brown is he when he was named along with Cummins quoted as saying we can't ban all players because there would'nt be enough quality one's left!!
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Serious questions for you as you seem intent on giving your opinion on this. Do you honestly think that a fractionally late tackle (not high or swinging arm or anything like that, just fractionally late) is worthy of a 2 month ban? Also, do you honestly believe that the appropriate response to a coach not getting what he wants is to tell his players to go out and take matters into their own hands? Seriously....
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| Brown is a idiot
Cant wait to see his tough guys teaching SL a lesson.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"Mate, you really can't distinguish between something that happens as a result of persuing the game and something instigated outside the rules, can you? No one is suggesting the game isn't hard or that foul play doesn't occur. As I said earlier, if you are unable to tell the difference your contibution to this debate is rendered meaningless.
Let's just try one more time. If someone is accidently shot as a consequence of a hunting accident is this the same as someone going out with a gun to shoot someone deliberately? Now, I can't for a minute believe you genuinely don't know the difference, in which case, why are you struggling with the concept of someone being challenged late as a consequence of something that goes on in the game as opposed to players deliberately going out to hit/hurt/injure players? Surely it's not that difficult a concept to grasp?
I'm not even saying that O'Loughlin's tackle shouldn't have been penalised. It was, by the rules of the game, worthy of a penalty which is exactly what it got. I also don't see the problem with forwards going out to intimidate other players as long as it's done legally. In fact, it's a major part of the game. This is not what you're defending here. You're defending the right of coaches to send out players with the sole intent of attacking opposition players just because said coach doesn't want to be subject to the same laws as everyone else!! You rightly say this isn't ballet. But it isn't a mugging either!
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no what you are doing is trying to pretend that O'loughlins actions were purely accidental and a result of a mis-timed challenge and not a result of training and tactics that see it worth risking a penalty to throw yourself at a playmaker whether you are late or not. I just dont see a huge difference to a deliberate action hurting someone and a deliberately reckless action doing it.
Im not saying O'loughlin hit him late on purpose, im saying he didnt care if he hit him late. I dont see either as something to defend. If we allow leeway for actions like O'loughlins we allow leeway for any reasonable retribtution, anything else is simply hypocritical.
Its like you are defending O'loughlin because what he did was sly and that it is somehow worse to be up front about it
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Looking after the little guys is something we were always taught, but that was done behind closed doors. Brown has now made at least two PUBLIC statements to this effect, boasting that his tough guys will take care of business if the ref doesn't.
It's the public aspect of this that's the problem. It's the sort thing Danny Dyer comes out with in lads' mags. A bit pathetic really.'" The public aspect smacks of pressuring the RFL to do something about it. and you're right, it doesnt show the game in a great light but neither do these late challenges we see all the time
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"The public aspect smacks of pressuring the RFL to do something about it. and you're right, it doesnt show the game in a great light [ubut neither do these late challenges we see all the time[/u'"
But sending players to mete out justice does? Now which is it?
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"I'm tempted, very tempted, to add Nathan Brown x2 to the list.
I'll leave it though and see what happens when we play them again in a couple of weeks.
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I'd hardly say Mick Potter was " Shown up" by him to be honest. You only beat us by 8 points. Unless you are classing a defeat as being shown up, in which case Maguire has been " Shown up" by the much Maligned duo of Brian Mcdermott and Steve Mcnamara!
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"But sending players to mete out justice does? Now which is it?'"
either we allow both to go (virtually) unpunished or we stamp them both out! We do one or the other,what we dont do is allow what O'loughlin to do go free then complain when there is a little retribution and intimidation.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"Serious questions for you as you seem intent on giving your opinion on this. Do you honestly think that a fractionally late tackle (not high or swinging arm or anything like that, just fractionally late) is worthy of a 2 month ban? Also, do you honestly believe that the appropriate response to a coach not getting what he wants is to tell his players to go out and take matters into their own hands? Seriously....'"
I would say no and no. However I am not Nathan Brown, and didnt see the challenge on Luke Robinson. None of know what goes on behind closed doors in team talks or training sessions!.
I was making a point about what Tony Smith and his comments about banning players.
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| Quote JLM23="JLM23"I'd hardly say Mick Potter was " Shown up" by him to be honest. You only beat us by 8 points. Unless you are classing a defeat as being shown up, in which case Maguire has been " Shown up" by the much Maligned duo of Brian Mcdermott and Steve Mcnamara!'"
It was his after match comments that got him added to the list, nothing to do with the win
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