I agree with that.

We should release him but we need to replace his experience and mainly his leadership.

A pack leader needs to be signed

I think he has an influence similar to Bryan Fletcher.

Unfortunately at Wigan if you don't run 50 metres every time you get the ball and beat three men you are not good enough.

how old his he ?

The academy lads think the world of him i keep hearing. if true maybe a playing/coaching role would be a good move.

he clearly likes being here. but maybe hes not ready for that.

29 I think.

Well done to Bailey it's took him what? a couple of years to produce a decent perfomance.

Another waste of money.

At least we've had one.

Your still waiting for Flannerys.

It's harder to shine out in a team with as much skill as ours

That has always been at the back of my mind as well. On the face of it with the players we have in the 2nd row and coming through logic says he should be released.

I have always said though that he is a clever player and one who knows when to give a penalty away.

If you look into the quota and fed player rules we could keep Bailey next year, the players at risk from that are Carmont and Phelps.

Prior to the Hock situation I thought his best chance of a new deal was if Noble remained coach. Now he has a better chance IMO.

It is a tough call because we have, apparently, some very good players coming through.

Dave

If he was off-quota and on a lower wage I'd say keep Bailey given his positive influence on the development of younger players and his ability to do the honest non-flashy work well. However in the circumstances I think he has to be released for the sake of the club's long term - even without Hock, second row / loose forward is an area of particular depth in the squad and I'd rather Farrell, Mossop and Flanagan get a chance next season as they are the future of the club, not a nearly 30 import.

Falls into the category of Phelps - a decent player, but not the class of import that justifies a quota spot.

Shocking grammar from me! The moral this is never to post when "merry"

The only saving grace in the incident is jonh adding it to his sig. For some reason he stopped short of completing the quote. VISE captain anyone?

Reassuring that it's only my drunken posts that get quoted.


Fortunately you don't have access to my texts which were far worse!

Id like to see Bailey stay if his influence is as great as it appears, its not like we can rely on the likes of Fielden in that department is it.

Id like Phelps to stay as well.

TBH the one id look to release if need be might be Carmont.

Bailey should not stay he is not a good enough player, although I would not complain if he did stay as it would mean he must add real value to the squad off the field for him to earn a new contract.

For that reason I would like to see him given a new deal. IMO he is one of our more consistent players, never does anything spectacular and rarely steps a foot wrong. An un-sung hero IMHO.

It's clear he leads on the pitch verbally but O'Loughlin leads by example and that's why he is captain and should remain so.