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Quote: sergeant pepper "Do you think we'll carry one on the bench, or go with an extra prop knowing they can cover 13 too?'"


I think it will depend on who we are playing.

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Quote: jonh "Old Magic Super Beetle on Red Vee is talking about targeting Nsemba because he is competing with 9 props next year and worried that we are not producing Academy players.

Given his intimate knowledge of our development pathways you would think he may know Nsemba is a secondrow.

We are still promoting players and continue to do so, we just do it in a planned and managed way to enhance their careers.

With Isa, Cooper and most likely Mago departing next year and fringe players like Cust, Thornley and possibly others (Powell & Shorrocks) there is plenty of room for our youngsters this year and next to progress.'"


Funny stuff to read that. A long list of players noted who are going to hold back Nsemba, all of which were props, when Nsemba plays second row icon_lol.gif

The pathways for them all will be in place I'm sure. As you say it is extremely likely Cooper and Isa will retire/leave at the end of 2024 and I doubt we'll look externally to replace them. There is also a chance Mago then goes and we don't take the years option and who knows what the future may hold regards other exits. I think a season long loan for Harvie Hill would be really positive and then he comes back as a replacement. The opportunities for Nsemba will be there in 2024. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a starting second rower at some point in the year.

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Quote: thesaint71 "Same as Wigan are alledgly paying him.
As for the falling out lets just say it still rankles with some Saints players'"


No it doesnt. When he was home for the grand final last year he was in the changing room with them and then out on the ale with them afterwards. He was also home earlier this year and out with the Saints players including all the senior ones

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Quote: RobRiches "No it doesnt. When he was home for the grand final last year he was in the changing room with them and then out on the ale with them afterwards. He was also home earlier this year and out with the Saints players including all the senior ones'"


Do you think he'll sign for Wigan though?

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why is it that no British players stays in Australia a050.gif

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Quote: Zig "Where’s our favourite Saints poster gone? The one that guaranteed Thompson would not sign for Wigan
James Graham
Ryan Sutton
Sam Burgess

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Quote: MattyB "James Graham
Lee Mossop
Sam Burgess'"

Josh Hodgson
Stevo
Ryan Sutton (so far)
Bateman has gone back
Elliot Whitehead
Dom Young
etc...

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Quote: Phuzzy "Josh Hodgson
Stevo
Ryan Sutton (so far)
Bateman has gone back
Elliot Whitehead
Dom Young
etc...'"


Don’t feed the troll…

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As a saints fan..it stings! Ignore redvee and the “I’m not bothered” brigade. Of course they are. According to his dad saints were his first choice but weren’t prepared to pay what wigan were offering which was close to his nrl Salary at the bulldogs.

Great signing for Wigan.easily the best pack in SL next season

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Quote: [Gareth] ""Dont worry, he's still here

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That’s nice icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Stu M "Won't let me quote WWste above but I agree.

I think Welsby should go and test himself, I've said that for a while and I'd love to see him kill it over there. Fortunately two of our better Academy players are halves so one would be a direct replacement for Dodd if he did go.

We definitely have some rebuilding to do no question.'"


I would agree with that Stu. If I was a Saints fan(obviously I am not otherwise I would have one eye, three ears and two noses - only joking), I would have concerns about your front row. Many Saints fans are commenting that the club is well stacked in that department with Knowles, Matautia and a bunch of young lads being capable of filling the void. That’s where we were for most of the last decade and, although we had some decent backs they got no room to operate in as our forwards were more than often second best. Relying on the two previously mentioned players plus kids is a recipe for disaster. The problem is that there are few federation trained props around who possess the necessary quality (Wigan has been busy snapping them up) and therefore replacing the likes of Walmsley is going to be very difficult. Losing Welsby would put you on the same trajectory that we experienced when Tomkins left and it will become a mighty struggle to climb the hill.

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Quote: jonh "Old Magic Super Beetle on Red Vee is talking about targeting Nsemba because he is competing with 9 props next year and worried that we are not producing Academy players.

Given his intimate knowledge of our development pathways you would think he may know Nsemba is a secondrow.

We are still promoting players and continue to do so, we just do it in a planned and managed way to enhance their careers.

With Isa, Cooper and most likely Mago departing next year and fringe players like Cust, Thornley and possibly others (Powell & Shorrocks) there is plenty of room for our youngsters this year and next to progress.'"


Added to that, Junior has signed a new contract. Dream on I say.

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Quote: Stu M "Well firstly I was laughed at for saying a while ago if Thompson came back to SL it would be to Wigan but hey ho..

Secondly it doesn't matter whether Thompson counts £50k or £1 towards the salary cap, he will still be earning a fortune. Saints can't compete with that and if they are going to pay a wage like Thompson will be on then they'll need to put that towards Welsby or he'll be off to the NRL.

He also left on bad terms hence him leaving mid-season after being the only player unwilling to take a pay cut during Covid. The Covid repayment loans have now kicked in and Saints along with Leeds were the worst affected club.

There's no doubt that we will see some transition now and maybe a few trophyless years potentially but with what we've won recently its not like we've too much to complain about.

I don't for one minute think our Recruitment is finished either. 11 players are leaving/retiring at the end of the season. Whitley will be announced soon and I think there will be more to come. We have some outstanding Academy kids who undoubtedly will be playing first team in a couple of years. Stephens already has a squad number for next season and the one we are all excited about is Vaughan- Lancashire and England Academy captain and will be playing first team sooner rather than later. He is a back rower too. Delaney coming through is a huge bonus, the sky is the limit for him and I can see given his age why the comparisons with Thompson are being made.

I said on Redvee that this could now be a golden few years for Wigan. Smart recruitment, huge investment from a wealthy owner and still bringing talented lads through.

Thats sport, its cyclical. At some point Leeds are going to challenge again, then we have Warrington and maybe the Hull clubs can challenge too.'"


Stu, I figured you were better than that - posting on Redvee! Seriously, there are some good posters on there but they are seriously outnumbered by dicks.

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Quote: Zig "I would agree with that Stu. If I was a Saints fan(obviously I am not otherwise I would have one eye, three ears and two noses - only joking), I would have concerns about your front row. Many Saints fans are commenting that the club is well stacked in that department with Knowles, Matautia and a bunch of young lads being capable of filling the void. That’s where we were for most of the last decade and, although we had some decent backs they got no room to operate in as our forwards were more than often second best. Relying on the two previously mentioned players plus kids is a recipe for disaster. The problem is that there are few federation trained props around who possess the necessary quality (Wigan has been busy snapping them up) and therefore replacing the likes of Walmsley is going to be very difficult. Losing Welsby would put you on the same trajectory that we experienced when Tomkins left and it will become a mighty struggle to climb the hill.'"


To be fair. There are no concerns from me about Saints pack for next season. They will still be in the top 2 packs along with Wigan. The concern is the lack of pace in the three quarters and the impotent scrum half which will be their undoing.

I cant see past a wigan grand final this season. They have hit form at just the right time. Given the signings they have made for next season and beyond, plus how utterly weak every other SL team is bar St Helens, its not beyond the realms of possibility that they emulate Saints 4 peat.

Please, just do me a favour. Go and beat those cocky idiots from Penrith next february.

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