1 more than you've got missing today

Fair enough but think I've seen enough this year that i don't think we will out, obviously hope I'm bloody wrong

All taking aside, from an outside point of view, you dont create anything, I think you guys went a bit ott with shorrocks performance in the good Friday games yes he was influential in some big defensive moments, but he created nowt, and didn't in any subsequent games.

Harry Smith is a marc sneyd style half back for me, good on the front foot, keeps you ticking over but if you're behind, he isn't getting you back into a game.

It was the 2nd half in the Hull game, they didn't bite in, when defending and didn't panic when French got the ball, no gaps appeared and he threw some daft passes.

If teams don't panic in front of French then there's not much to worry about with wigan.

3 weeks on a bounce we physically dominated 3 of the best teams in league in Leigh, Saints and then Wire, we have been indifferent either side of that and could have lost a couple more than we have but I still think we have the quality to be in with a shout come October, I don’t think we have much chance of winning the cup however but fingers crossed for 2 weeks time.

Yeah, Smiths long kicking game is brilliant but he’s not the most creative and he’s slow, it’s almost the opposite of the situation when Williams was here, together they’d compliment each other well but they both missed a complimenting half. We just need to hope Field can slot into the halves and do well.

It would not surprise me if it's you and saints in thr gf, or you saints or catalans, some combination, there's early signs of us "pulling a warrington" bubbling here at the moment.

It wasn't though was it, and you soon vanished off this board when it was pointed out

Exactly this.

I don't disagree, but I'm going to shudder to look back on some of those soft tries we conceded this afternoon.

Our pack isn’t great when fully fit but taking 5 out has means we are there for the taking.

Havard putting in unreal 65 minute stint had been papering over the cracks.

We’ll get trampled over by saints and wire then be out the cup and about 5th in the league. Depressing.

That's the key here. We already had a pack that struggled occasionally even with our first choice out.

You remove at least 3 starters (first choice 17) plus a few backups and we're really light. Hill and Nsemba are players we shouldn't be seeing 3 and 4 weeks in a row.

We've still got enough to beat any side with our strike power but when a side gets a roll on we're going to really struggle to contain them.

Yep, Hill and Nsemba should be playing the odd game against lower opposite not week in week out at 18.

Mago shouldn’t be playing at all and I think Shorrocks is really struggling in defence and his carries are ineffective.

Smithies is bang out of form too.

Catalans have a brilliant pack and Sam/Pearce played off the back of it so well.

See I think this weak pack is a myth, the games we have lost have been for me down to a lack of cutting edge more than anything, similar to what cost us last season when Leeds knocked us out. That’s not including today by the way when got dominated in all facets including the pack.

Exactly, I think Warrington have just won the games you would expect them to do and have been very consistent but I would be a little worried if I was a Warrington fan that they have lost to Wigan, Saints and Leigh and quite convincingly too. For me it’s anyone’s at the minute and although today was awful from a Wigan point of view I give us as much chance of anyone if we can get a few of our injured forwards back.

We lost today because we tried to out muscle a strong Catalans pack and take the game to them. Our pack isn’t big enough for that game plan.

Tactically we should have been going off +1’s, using jockey plays and drop offs, runs back into the ruck keeping their pack moving and tiring them out exposing gaps with our speed. It was a perfectly winnable game today but poor tactics lost us that game IMO.

I also don’t know what Powell has to do to be dropped. O’Neill must be raging inside.