I'll tell you one thing. There is no way in the world that Wigan nil Hudds going down to 12 men after 16 mins, 11 for the last 8 mins and losing a FB after 3 mins. Absolutely no chance. However because its us, its simply because "Huddersfield were toothless". No other team in SL could've done that, not a chance.

We are having a better season so far but not the better team go figure,so yes we agree to disagree

But that is your opinion saying Wigan have no chance of emulating Saints against Hudds but we will never know.

Do you not even see the irony in this post Stu?

I have never said, insinuated or implied that. I was pointing out Wigan hadn't got on top in those areas which is what another posted had said.



I agree and have said the same myself in a complimentary fashion about Wigan.



I agree, hence why I haven't done that.



Literally me, all over this thread. I have said both teams have contrasting styles and when we meet again it could go either way.

I haven't said yardage and territory is the be all and end all, I haven't said it's the most important factor and I haven't said it makes us the better team. Literally read my posts this morning and after the Magic game and you will realise I have done none of the things you claim I have.

No not really. Go on educate me.

All I see is a complete and utter lack of respect for what we did last Friday. Even the neutral pundits were describing it as the performance of the season. French scores 7 and you beat Hull 60-0 and yet our performance is still being talked about more. Go figure.

Mate, we must be living in some sort of alternate reality. You literally posted:

"Quite shocked at this. I thought territorially we battered you personally and said this on here after the game. In terms of metres made on the day we were over 400m more than you for example (despite you scoring from two long range breaks from Field and french too). We also made more carries and you made more tackles. So in terms of both possession and territory we were on top. You were forever finishing sets in your own half. We were camped in your half for the start of the game but I don't recall us being under the pump on our line for long spells."

If that is not focussing on how territory isn't the defining factor as to why you were the best, I don't know what is.

That said if you don't believe that to be the case despite posting it then fair enough.

Ok I'll educate you

Firstly, wouldn't you say that the very definition of toothless (in rugby terms) is being unable to score points? Wouldn't you say that being unable to score points against 12 and then 11 men would further define it? If not, would you care to give me a better definition of toothless?

Secondly, you're asking for Wigan fans to give credit for your
Huddersfield performance whilst simultaneously belittling the semi final win (amongst others) and claiming 'unfair' when you don't get it.

I won't even comment on your assertion that "no other team could do it" (sic) as I shouldn't need to.

Seeing the irony yet?

For what it's worth, your performance against Huddersfield was outstanding.

And, in the same way, I was commenting on your post in which you also use territory as a marker of your dominance despite you being behind on the scoreboard. You can't expect to answer posts in isolation with no comeback. If you say something, I'm allowed to respond regardless of whose post you're answering.

In truth, my post wasn't aimed so much at you alone but to Stu who has repeatedly ploughed this furrow on this very thread, and also FTV who uses it on a regular basis too. It's a generalism so, for that, I'll happily apologise for quoting your post.

The styles of the two sides currently makes for an intriguing match up. Saints will always dominate territory IMO because of how they play in getting off the line and trying to pin you down at your end. There aren’t many team that can try and play to a plan that we can and that’s to not panic, try to soak it up and be confident that at some point we can trouble them with our pace, as the intensity drops a touch. The issue we face with Saints though is that intensity never drops significantly and they seem to lift it and have a 2nd/3rd wind as the game goes on. Where we’ve hurt ourselves badly in games against them is adding to that pressure they apply by keep making basic errors, down at our end of the field. Clean those up and we’ll be a far better chance in future games against them.

Ultimately they’re still favourites at the moment because like it or not, they’re the better side. It’s not tough or embarrassing to admit that, I just think it’s a fact. We’re getting there but there is still work to do yet. I’m chuffed we’ve closed the gap as much as we have because we’re probably a year in front of where I thought/hoped we’d be. To think back to last season, I wouldn’t have believed you had you said we’d have a cup win in the bag, beating Saints in the process and would be sat 2nd in the table (even after basically giving up a couple of losses for the Cup win).

NO I DIDN'T!!! Please please please stop putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say it was a marker of our dominance. Someone said Wigan were on top territorially and had more possession and I showed that wasn't the case.That is literally it. I didn't say we dominated the game. Please stop adding bits on that I haven't said, it's so frustrating. Take what I said at fae value and don't create a new meaning for the purpose of an argument.



Fair enough I am sure there are people (not necessarily saying Stu and FTV) who claim that those stats are all that matters. I am not one of them so I object to you reading what I say and then telling me I mean something else.

To be fair to YG and Stu, they are really knowledgeable posters and talk a lot of sense, particularly this debate. They're dead right in their assessment that Saints generally have had the upper hand in meetings this season, but we're getting closer.

One thing that is a positive for us going forward is the acquisition of Cooper. The difference in having him in the 17 next time out v Saints opposed to Partington/Shorrocks is night and day IMO. We could be at a point where we actually have the better pack come September.