Gildart hasn’t had the service from our halves

He's had a bloody woeful winger outside of him as well.

If he can lift it, can’t raise his arms high enough without dislocating his shoulder

Some good points. Many players have gone backward in their game this season as they’re being poorly coached.

Give Justin Holbrook, Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson this team and watch the same players fly.

Radlinski writes the cheques, Leneghan signs them.

Maybe it’s all Radlinski’s fault then if he appointed everyone?

I’m not saying it’s all his fault but he is a major player in this

Have to agree..Holbrook has impressed me t saints,hasn’t made many changes really just coached players to get the best of their ability out of them

I would say no, after the poor start to the season, they are a very average team punching well above their weight , you have to give some credit to him for that . But at the end of the day the squad isn't good enough. Lots of cap money spent on under performing players .

Has Holbrook actually won anything at Saints? They always seem to bottle it at the last moment.

Has Holbrook got so much more out of his players than previous coaches?

Saints were a better team than Wigan in 2018. Wigan were champions. Which you prefer cups or being a good team?

You are Shaun Wane and I claim my £10

We’re talking about how a coach can improve players. So before you try to twist the argument to make your own point in a completely different discussion...

Do you think Holbrook has improved the saints squad during his time?

Your point is completely wide of the mark. We’re discussing how a coach. An improve a team.

There’s always an issue when the posters post is based off his own opening comment.

We were crap - all over the pitch and Salford were much better.

For me the biggest two gripes are lack of effort and most worryingly just how much the team have gone backwards in terms of basic RL skill and tactics. Salford won by doing the basics right (much like Saints the week before) - they did nothing fancy or clever just the basics right, something Wigan have totally lost.Both in defence and attack the basics skill sets were missing - and that is a worry, surely the most fundamental job of any coach is to ensure the team has the basics right - for me Lam does not look like a coach that can do that.

We can argue/agree over individual players all day long but are the Salford team so much better individually than Wigan, I doubt it very much - the big difference is that Salford did the basics right and looked like a team that had been coached - Wigan did not at any stage.

Wane's teams may have been dull at times but at least looked like they had a plan and had been coached on the basics. The current Wigan team have gone backwards in both those fields.