GEORGE EVEN COPS IT WHEN HE'S NOT PLAYING MOST COACHES IN SL WOULD WECOME HIM TO THERE SQUADS GET REAL

Everyone thought St Helens' squad was bang average before Holbrook came in.

Im pretty certain we will look a very good side with two signatures from a quality scrum half and coach.

I'm not sure what our halves were supposed to be able to do last night given how we played. Just look at the difference in the number of carries between their props and ours. Amor made 19 carries, Thompson 17. For us Flower and Tautai made around 7. Navarrete only 4. On the other hand Bateman made 26 and Isa/Greenwood both made more than 10 carries simply by playing half the game out wide.

The ball was being driven up the middle by our outside backs (Davies and Sarginson predominantly). That's all well and good but it's not going to tire the Saints pack or trouble them too much. Then we just chucked the ball from left to right and back again with little purpose or direction. All the Saints defence had to do was keep sliding across one way then the other. They barely had to worry about our props making a carry never mind a strong one. No one was drawing defenders down the middle because we weren't using our props to drive the ball in well enough.

In the second half Flower came off the bench, made some very strong carries down the middle that troubled the Saints defence and we looked more threatening. But it was too little too late.

Our tactics were basically to let our outside backs and second row run at them a lot.

Saints made 9 clean breaks compared to our 1. If they'd been a bit more clinical, or had Barba and Percival in the side, they'd have taken those chances. The scoreline flattered us

Ya lads did well last night didn't they!!!!

If I were a Stain's fan I would be rather miffed at that result, just look at the squad numbers that Wigan had out on the park v's Saints.

We shouldn't see numbers 39,40 and a new shiny 41 on the pitch at the same time in an ideal world.

To have only managed to get over the line twice really doesn't say a lot for Saints.

They scored one from our stupid mistake and one from a straight forward one on one missed tackle. That said they looked far more dangerous that we ever did and we never looked like scoring.

You were right, it did!

I was actually pleased with the effort last night, a respectable score line which had the potential to be a blow out against a classy Saints side which are unrecognisable from when Cunningham was coach.

That’s because Saints had 4 out of 6 strike players missing, those 4 have scored 50% of our tries so far this season.

Goons got off lightly with Saints dominating the line breaks at 9 to 1.

Who were the 4 strike players you had missing? Barba and Percival but who else?

Taia and Walmsley.

Oh look, he’s back!! Thank god for than we’ve missed you Jud!

So in the Ben Flower final did Saints get off lightly when we made more line breaks that Saints despite having 12 men for 78 minutes? No because you don’t get points for breaking the line u clown, you get points for scoring tries and u got 2 of them to our 1. Incidentally you were without Barba Taia, Walmesley and Percy, we were without Gildart Burgess, Williams, Farrell, Sutton and O’Loughlin. It’s not about who was missing, it’s about who plays and your 17 were better than ours. Thanks for coming back now please do us all a favour and stay away with you big floppy shoes and your red nose if you don’t want to contribute to a sensible, meaningful discussion.

Speaking of which, I've no idea why he gets booed by Saints fans.

He single handedly won them a Grand Final. He should be a club legend.

Haha.. Not so much strike players as just players then?

And lockers

(Plus Manfredi)

Lockers is listed mate but missed off Manfredi and Faz! My bad!!