Then make them watch it a third time and charge them 20 quid for the "privilege" like some of us had to pay.

If they did you might find a lot of complaints about how Wigan have only played for the last 20 or 30 minutes in several games. Plucking victory from the jaws of defeat has been exciting and everyone ends up happy with the win but has not fooled the majority into thinking this was a viable way to carry on. Today we did it again and this time gave a better team 16 points start and this time no comeback.

On occasion we have looked better on attack but not consistently so. Beaten a few poor sides well but only Cas and Wire at magic are real improvements over previous efforts. This exit from the cup is poorer than getting knocked out by HKR at Leigh. That day Chester had our coaches number and today Price did. This was a big game and the coach failed to get the team up for it and had no tactical answer at half time. As usual he says it wasn't a Wigan standard performance. Too many of those under him over the last few seasons.

You said in another post we lost 8 and just missed out on the playoffs last season but so what? You can be rubbish and still get within a whisker of a shot at the title? Mathematically I suppose you can but I don't think the structure of the competition allowing this should lead to being complacent. If you consistently have issues then you aren't going to win the big games. We have won several games this season despite ourselves and I don't think you can put this loss down to a bad day at the office.

And play who? Gotta think these things through.

funny how a couple of months ago I was on here bemoaning cap mismanagement, recruitment and coaching structures and styles and I got jumped on like a seagull on an icecream! couple of bad losses and you all agree now. well i'm glad it took that for you to realise what I've been saying since 2017!

wane shouldn't go now, he needs to fix this before the end of his final season with us or lose credibility and potentially his future options should they not yet be decided. will he do so? I still think we'll be in the mix come the seasons' end. but that says more about the opposition than us.

next, Wigan should not drop Williams either - they should sell him! I honestly don't think any coach at wigan will get what we saw potential in 2 or 3 years ago. I've heard a lot about him away from these forums such as very bad habits with money; he's happy to pi$$ it up the wall whichever way he does but doesn't earn it on the pitch. yesterday he didn't just look inneffective, he looked careless, lethargic and unconcerned. he didn't even get himself into positions for the 5th tackle on numerous occasions. don't blame the forwards as they have been decent enough this year barring the last two games yet he still hasn't shone above anyone else. don't come at me with stats either, they don't reflect impact and performance and it won't change my opinion and by the looks of things a lot of others' opinions now. why was he a better player when smith was at his side? because smith did the right things and allowed Williams to shine? nope. because he wasn't on megabucks back then thinking he can do what he pleases now.

Tomkins (joel) must be sold too. he is chewing up way too much cap space for his performances (effort aside on occasion). another example of wane bringing his mates back. to be honest I like him, he is versatile but not worth what he is on (i'd imagine he is on a decent wedge of course).

finally, the fact that bateman played like 10 men yesterday says to me he is off at the end of the season; he put his blood into that game and the emotion showed at full time. was that a way of identifying that was his last chance of CC silverware with wigan? to me, that's a yes. so why have wigan stalled so much on him? again mismanagement. lettign the sam and Ollie saga's run on way too long did it for me. wigan should have thrown the whole cap at him to keep him here even if it mean losing the likes of isa and Ollie. and why didn't we have enough cap space to do this after MM and FPN left? that was even before we knew ollie wanted off or a better contract, before we knew sam was off, so there was space or should have been. mismanagement is the only answer. again, bad move by wigan for me regards bateman. i'd be very surprised to hear he is staying now. with lockers probably retiring at the end of this season he should have been an absolute must to tie down.

now i've ranted, what about Radford as our next coach?! he looked gutted at full time. ha!!

When you say don’t come at me with stats, is that because they are factual and take any sense of opinion out of it. That’s like saying we’re the best supported club in the world of sport, oh but don’t come at me with attendance figures. Is Williams playing well this season? No I don’t really think he is. Does he have a seven who allows him to play the game we know he has? No he doesn’t. Yet Powell the least effective seven I have ever seen, gets away free cause he put in a good stint when Micky was injured. And as for what Williams spends his money on you have got to be joking. He’s a young lad earning a lot of money, of course he’s going to buy things! So long as it’s not a load of coke, it’s absolutely none of our business and has no impact on his ability as a player.

George Williams has been below par for most of the year and yesterday he stunk the place out but its pretty hard to make anything happen when the off the ball players are not dragging defenders around and 90% of the attacking threat is coming through you. Warrington watched him like a hawk knowing that nobody else in the team had the ability to create anything that could cause them defensive problems. Put a decent 7 next to him next year and Hardaker running out the back and then judge him.

Id also like see us switch to half backs that are free to roam the full width of the field. why are all teams so insistent on having split half backs these days? The only positive i can see is that they are in the right area of the field when transitioning from attack to defence. Same with the centres watching old games from the 90's, the amount of times Connolly would move to the opposite side of the field to finish off a move was notable.

Next year. Sam Powell to 9, Tommy to retire. An organising 7 with a great kicking game. Joel to be sacked, Bateman to loose forward ( needs to get in the game more), a decent right centre. Lockers to Prop (40 mins a game max). Sack Joel, try to move Tautai on. Get a prop like Fifita or Ikicahifo (spel) in.

Hardaker
Davies
NEW
Gildart
Burgess
Williams
NEW 7
Flower
Powell
SOL
Isa
Farrell
Bateman

Escare/ganson
NEW BIG prop
Clubb
Hamlin/Naverette

Out

Wane
Sam
Joel
Sutton
Forsyth
Manfredi ( sadly can’t hold onto 4 wingers. Keep if Burgess wants the NRL again)
Tautai
Sarge
Leaulai

In

A coach who is a coach to the players rather than best mate
Hardaker
Centre
7 who can get us round the field and kick goals ( what’s deacon doing these days)
Big Prop (not converted back rower)
A project signing in the centres.

What about players contracts? What are you going to do about them?

I’m puzzled as to how Wane let this happen. If you remember back to when he was appointed he ordered players to put size ON. We were huge back then and bullied teams around the park, hurt them and then our fast flowing rugby took over.

I still think we missed a beat by not going in for David Fifita/Liam Watts when they were available. They would have added some much needed grunt to the front row.

It mustn’t only be me who is astounded at the decline of the club and how hypocritical it sounds given we’re sitting pretty in SL. I’ve said it for a while in that the club have been and actively are papering over the deep rooted cracks. This policy of resigning players was utterly ridiculous from its conception, none have come back any better than what they were when they left. If anything they’re worse!

A huge off season of spending is required IMHO as well as paying off some players to leave. It’s a serious investment required and I’m not too sure IL will be willing to bankroll it.

People don't think about realities and technicalities when they get all emotional like this.

All of which would count on the cap.

There's ways and means to allow players to leave and take up other offers while still under contract and we've done that in the last year, but simply paying someone off isn't going to help matter in terms of cap management

Ah my apologies, I wasn’t aware that was the case. Sounds a little daft to me but that’s a debate for another day.

In that case then we’d have to try and find a willing buyer. Given the current SL financial climate we’ll do very well to find one.

Was very surprised with Williams, if I'm honest. I really rate him. He's raw but was nothing like he was 2 years ago.

Playing behind a well-beaten pack doesn't help. That game was lost up front, and lost early. Too many missed tackles, too many offloads allowed, too many quick PTBs allowed, too many penalties given away as a consequence. We put in some decent kicks early on, pinned them on their own line, then released the pressure every time.