...and at that point we play away to teams whose season is very much alive. I wouldn't be surprised if Saints & Hull put 40 on us and SW trots out the usual post-Wembley pish about player fatigue.

If the players are fatigued and need a decent pre-season, don't fly them around the world to play a home game and an exhibition game.

Not much use if we don't know how many minutes they played.

doesnt affect the decision making, passing out overlaps, stepping inside when he was drawing players for the pass, the gap he created then passed to sam instead of just scoring, kicking when not needed and killing play. He had a stinker

On the bright side we were not at the St Helens game.

It is, as that is the "work" rate of the entire prop rotation - it's slightly better than last week when they carried the ball 29 times in total the whole game. We either have the laziest set of props in the league or they are coached not to take the ball in that much?

We haven't had a commanding prop, other than Lima for a short stint, over the last 8 seasons during which time we haven't done too bad.

Imagine what we could have done with a couple of props worthy of the name?

You're kidding right? We are SL and World champions therefore we clearly have the best players, coaches and tactics in the world and do not need to improve any of that at all.

Please don't expect us to sign props that make yards.

That is not the Wigan Way.

I agree it's a puzzler. We haven't had a Morley Peacock Graham Hill (Fielden was in this class but didn't do it for us) type yet we keep coming up with the trophies. The props have generally contributed enough to at least hold their own in the big games. Maybe too much reliability on one prop is a negative?

Oh it's not the first time. I was getting slated on here for stating the obvious about Noble as well. Funny that.



Blah, blah. I was right about Noble and I am right about Wane. You know this so that is good enough for me despite silly comments as above. Am I glad I am right, do I enjoy watching the boring sub standard RL served up by both coaches? No, and neither do you.

If you are implying that was me, you'd be wrong. I could not wait to see the back of Noble. I was even in favour of Wane taking over when Madge left because I thought we'd see continuity but you might also recall me posting on here a comment about what Wane said just after he took over. That comment from Wane was (despite the obvious success under Madge), he'd like to do things differently and he pointed to narrow losses and a sub par performance against Widnes (I am certain he mentioned them) when we'd lost about half a dozen games or less all season. He was, apparently, going to improve on the best two seasons since 2006 by changing a winning formula. I was shocked when I read that quote. I thought he was being arrogant in that despite the team going from clueless under Noble to CC and GF winners (and convincingly) under Madge, Wane felt he knew better. Well regardless of what he thought about his own abilities and how he was going to improve things and yes, despite the trophies since then, he's taken this club backwards. From saying the few losses we got under Madge weren't good enough, we have lost a shed load this season. Someone should play that quote back to him and see what he has to say about it.

He'd storm off in a huff, like he did when interviewed after the Widnes game last year.

Wane is downright stubborn and either cant or wont change his approach to coaching. He believes the amount of finals & semi finals he has got to justifies the style of play. The dwindling crowds, the narrowing of the wins and the level of the beatings when it doesn't go to plan suggests that more and more clubs have his one-style tactics sussed.

If he wishes to stay in post then he needs a Plan B & C.

And yet still, in all this time the Chairman has continued to deliver cup final appearances, silverware, etc.

How do you square that with your ongoing skepticism of him? Or do you just not bother trying?

Nostra-f*cking-damus here. We all bow to your superior foresight. One question though, were you right last year when you were posting the same drivel word-for-word?

If being Super League and World Champions and possible Challenge cup winners all at once is the club going backwards, then long may our demise continue.