In all honesty I thought it looked a lot worse in slow motion. I'm not convinced there was any malice in it, More uncontrolled and careless, If you slow something like that down enough then it will look bad. worthy of atleast a yellow but won't complain to much at the red but I'd personally think sending off sufficient.

Im glad that all wiganers arent as brainless as nicky kiss theres just no reasoning with the n0b

You're obviously correct in your opinions as you get them across in such a classy manner. I can't help but feel it's a sign of somebody having lost a debate when they resort to insults.

You've shown as much class as your owner, board and 'some' of your players there.

Red card all day long . You dont charge kicks down with a bent arm . His stupidity deserves a red if nothing else .


Regards , Ew

Defo straight red imo. The fact he raises the elbow makes it straight red. Im not sure he intentionally goes for the elbow as i think he meant to bounce him off with his forearm to the chest and got it wrong.

Intention or not, he catches him on chin with elbow/foremarm which is off the ball so its got to be red.

With his past record, i imagine his season is over.

I can't see the ban being that long, especially as he was sent off rather than called up. No complaints about the red from me though.

Whilst I would agree incidents can look worse in slow motion, it is the positioning of his arm that makes me think this was deliberate rather than uncontrolled and careless. Bending the arm to such a degree that the point of the elbow is the first point of contact with the other player isn't accidental or careless, it's a deliberate attempt to cause serious injury.

And the knee to the head?

I didn't like the look of it.
However, I do think is was a genuine desperate attempt to prevent a try. I don't think it was premeditated and there simply wasn't time to do it deliberately.
However, I think there is a discussion needed about how to prevent contact with the head when a player's head is so close to the ground when the initial contact is made.

what utter tripe

Shock horror everyone else thinks it's a bad one Wigan fans think it was careless n accidental.....

Just what I think.
I saw Ben Flower lead with the point of his elbow into the head of a player without the ball in a vulnerable position. I don't think it is normal to lead with the point of the elbow when charging down a kick and therefore it was deliberate.
Feel free to hold a different opinion....

Couldn't agree more. You lot always over react with anything to do with Wigan such is your determination to convince yourselves we are the root of all evil. Interestingly Tony Smith (and for the avoidance of doubt I'm referring to the Tony Smith who coaches Warrington) described the sending off as 'harsh'.

I stand my my opinion that it was careless. There was direct contact with the head therefore I've no problem with the red, 2 - 3 games. Earlier in the season it would have been 3, this time of year the diciplinary historically are more lenient (which is something I disagree with) therefore he could end up with 2 or even 1 as he saw red.