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| Quote: Phuzzy "Or to put it another way, more adept at holding down....'"
All part of the game. When our team does it it's good technique. When opposition do it it's holding down. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Or to put it another way, more adept at holding down....'"
Its called controlling the game mate 
You win the collision and dominate your man at the PTB which goes a long way to snuffing out the next attack.
Like I said, I don't like talk of referees as I believe you are always in control of matters. If Wigan had a problem with Leeds using a slow ruck then its their own fault for not winning the collision. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Or to put it another way, more adept at holding down....'"
every coach from juniors upwards will talk about winning the collision and dominating the ruck. That's all part of being a good rugby team not a skilless way to cheat the opposition like you make out. We do it plenty ourselves, but in this game we couldn't as our forwards were beaten. No point looking for excuses! |
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Hang on a minute! If you're going to put words in my mouth at least give them some semblance of truth! Please point out where I said it was 'a skilless way to cheat the opposition' or indeed anything remotely similar. In fact I said the exact opposite ('being able to play at the margins is what makes a good team great' and 'I applaud Leeds for being able to do so') However, as Pemps points out quite succinctly, one set of fans 'good technique' is the opposition fans 'foul play'. We lose many things when O'Loughlin is out but I've always maintained that one of the most important is his unrivalled ability to control the speed of the play the ball. Guess what though? Opposition fans complain that he 'gets away with holding down' and 'is a cheat'.. QED
On a personal note, you need to wind your neck in mate. I strongly object to being spoken down to in the way you seem to have taken to recently. I've been a Wigan supporter for well over 20 years and a season ticket holder for most of that. I certainly don't need you to condescendingly explain the basics of the game. Did you think you think you were giving some great insight or something? I suggest that, before you post your lols and great insights in future, you actually learn to read and, more importantly, understand the posts you're answering to. ''More adept at holding down' was a compliment and nowhere did I suggest that it was skilless or outside the rules. Moreover, nowhere was there any intimation that I didn't understand the principles involved. I certainly didn't require your great insight into one of the most basic aspects of the game; less so delivered in the condescending way you chose to. Now, if you'd just explain what that ball-thingy is that the players seem to carry I'd be most grateful 
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| Quote: RhinoNeil "Its called controlling the game mate ![]()
See above.
I have no idea if Wigan had a problem with Leeds slowing down the ruck. Personally, I had no problem whatsoever.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Hang on a minute! If you're going to put words in my mouth at least give them some semblance of truth! Please point out where I said it was 'a skilless way to cheat the opposition' or indeed anything remotely similar. In fact I said the exact opposite ('being able to play at the margins is what makes a good team great' and 'I applaud Leeds for being able to do so') However, as Pemps points out quite succinctly, one set of fans 'good technique' is the opposition fans 'foul play'. We lose many things when O'Loughlin is out but I've always maintained that one of the most important is his unrivalled ability to control the speed of the play the ball. Guess what though? Opposition fans complain that he 'gets away with holding down' and 'is a cheat'.. QED
On a personal note, you need to wind your neck in mate. I strongly object to being spoken down to in the way you seem to have taken to recently. I've been a Wigan supporter for well over 20 years and a season ticket holder for most of that. I certainly don't need you to condescendingly explain the basics of the game. Did you think you think you were giving some great insight or something? I suggest that, before you post your lols and great insights in future, you actually learn to read and, more importantly, understand the posts you're answering to. ''More adept at holding down' was a compliment and nowhere did I suggest that it was skilless or outside the rules. Moreover, nowhere was there any intimation that I didn't understand the principles involved. I certainly didn't require your great insight into one of the most basic aspects of the game; less so delivered in the condescending way you chose to. Now, if you'd just explain what that ball-thingy is that the players seem to carry I'd be most grateful ![]()
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Or to put it another way, more adept at holding down....'"
Wigan are very good at it.
One round the legs, 2 take the upper body to hold them upwright and wrestle, giving the defensive line time to set, then they twist and put the attacker on his back, then move off 1 by 1, slowing the PTB down massively. Textbook.
That's not a criticism of wigan, it's excellent technique. |
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| Quote: Grimmy "tl;dr'"
Pathetic. |
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "Wigan are very good at it.
One round the legs, 2 take the upper body to hold them upwright and wrestle, giving the defensive line time to set, then they twist and put the attacker on his back, then move off 1 by 1, slowing the PTB down massively. Textbook.
That's not a criticism of wigan, it's excellent technique.'"
Indeed mate and ditto Leeds. |
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A good coach can see in the rules/laws things that others cannot. I often think that they need to be as good a lawyer as a coach. Any lawyer will tell you that depending on the spirit of a law will always be challenged and found wanting. We then change the law/rule/instruction and the whole process starts again.
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On another matter I am really looking forward to the game. Looking at the squad I realise that no one really expects us to win but I still expect every man in cherry and white to front up.
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I cannot overemphasise just how impressive the boys were tonight.
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| Quote: CyberPieMan "Ditto - Given that this year would appear to be a transition period (is anyone seriously thinking we're going win much?).'"
Today, I shall mostly be withdrawing my worry that we can't win owt wi' a bunch o' kids  |
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Dudson has got to stop the late push/shoulder to the back. That is going to cost us one day.
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Excellent game plan from the Pies. Wane outsmarted a superior team with a tactical masterclass. Saints did the same when they beat us at Langtree. I hope McDermot comes up with a plan to counter such tactics for the next time we meet. Well done you guys.
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