I'm about to slit my wrists. The team couldn't win a raffle with two tickets after someone else had pulled the wrong one out of the tombola.

(tries desperately to manufacture another bit of faux anguish)

The French lost to the USA too.

This was a warm up & a trot-out for some of the squad that McN may not have made his mind up about. Given the tight turn around from the regular seasons in all bits of the planet, I'm fairly sanguine about this result (I take back what i said when this fixture was announced, given the number of ringers we've got in the squad this was probably on the cards from the start).

I remember Nobby saying some while ago on the BBC that the "smaller" teams would likely be the ones to keep an eye on & would provide some talking points - I'm referring to him as Septic Peg from now on.

Roby third in the world? You joking?

He wouldnt even be starting 9 in a lot of NRL sides, get a grip.

Just on the way back from the game and it wasn't pretty. The effort was woeful but that's not an issue really as it will be fixed up for next week. What is a worry is the total lack of cohesion within in the team and they look like they've not been coached at all (no surprise).

No use blaming an individuals. Watkins had a mare as did Cudjoe and Hock and guys like Sinfield, Mossop, Charnley, Widdop, Chase etc just weren't at the races but its the coach that worries me.

We are all entitled to opinions. You are in the minority.

Good luck in naming all these hookers that would keep him out of NRL sides.

That was awful

I think we all agree that Macbannana is the weak link here - if we do well in the WC it won't be down to him. Sinfield needs to play at 13 or be dropped. Don't understand Mossop's place in the team. Tomkins needs to play at 6 next week IMO.

I'd feel a lot happier if we had Widdop and Brough as our half backs, with Sinfield bringing the kicking tee on and Chase having a holiday in NZ.

maybe sthelens could do their part and produce some quality players and help England out? your beyond a joke with your bias towards anything sthelens

Its all Wigans fault.

Don't be silly its all Sinfields fault , nothing to do with the other 16 .

Not sure why you're turning this into a Saints v Wigan debate. You're being silly. Grow up.

And before anyone points out I said Roby should play before McIlorum, I also said that Watkins and Charnley should be playing.

Let's stick to the point - England.

you also tried to make out on the VT that its charnley fault for losing because he knocked on.

but i agree this is England and not wigan v sthelens

I go along with this tweet

Mark Wilson ‏@MarkWilsonRadio
Didn't see the #england #rugbyleague game today so will hold judgement until next week. This may be the kick up the backside they needed