I am just bathing in all this bitterness... Made my day...

2006 we were as bad as each other, and oh look, you are in just the same "Oh the big boy bullied me again" mode... And i have some news, just because you support a rubbish team/club does not make you as better fan.. You support the club from were you come from, we do the same... We have just been luckier.

You also had a lot of money pumped into the club and a modern stadium to play out of.

Any reasonable person would accept that we were a basket case under the old board and therefore since the new owners took over the following would be positive signs of moving in the right direction in a relatively short space of time:-

- Not finishing bottom first season after admin with a team put together on the lowest budget of all SL teams

- Improving the ground as we told the RL we would

- A dramatic increase in our average attendances

- A vast improvement in the playing squad over the last season or so

- An extremely well respected scholarship programme

- Reaching the play-offs last season

- Progress towards a new ground (slow due to circumstances outside of the clubs control, but progress none the less)

Our new owners have a medium to long term plan to get us where we need to be. Unfortunately, without an extremely wealthy benefactor, these things cannot be done overnight, and laying solid foundations for the club to be self-sufficient is the right way for the club to go.

Ask any Wakey fan and they will tell you there is still a long way to go to get to where we should and need to be, but we are heading in the right direction.

Fish... shooting... barrel...

My original posts were aimed at pointing out that both teams were guilty of head high shots and messing around at the play the ball on Sunday, given some very blinkered comments from some of the Wigan posters on this topic. This then descended into belittling the Wakefield club in a smug and arrogant manner (which unfortunately is a trait that too many of your fans seem to revel in). I merely tried to redress the balance by pointing out that your not as great as some of you seem to think you are.

As for fans, I would hazard a guess that a fair percentage of your fan base have never known the bad times, and a bit like Bradford, were you to have a sustained period of finishing outside the top 8, these people would drift away. Contrast that with us, where other than the odd appearance in the playoffs, we have spent more time struggling at the wrong end of the league, and I am sure you would agree it is more difficult to follow and stick with a team like us then to follow Wigan

No doubt someone will come back with the fact our attendances went up during our near-relegation season, but I agree with most of your points. We definitely do have bandwagoners who only started watching us three years ago or thereabouts. They leave early/start booing if we don't win and often don't turn up to the smaller games. If Wigan went as bad as Wakey I'd carry on watching us, but if we were that bad before I started watching, I can't say for sure whether I'd have started watching in the first place.

I thought this would dissolve from his game as he matured, but it's getting worse. He's embarrassing and I'm not even a Wigan fan.

Re: the salary cap creating a level playing field.

It hasn't. All clubs do not spend the same amount regardless of a 'cap' - some spend a lot, some don't - same as in the 80s/90s (when Wigan weren't the only big spenders).

ATEOTD, the Grand Final will be won by either Leeds, Wigan or Saints and maybe the Wolfs if Dad's Army doesn't run out of steam.

A reasonable post - only took till page 7.

I have been watching Wakey for 30 years, the only silverware won in that time being the Yorkshire Cup and the Northern Ford (or whatever it was called at the time) Grand Final. As you can imagine in that period I have seen some shocking performances, witnessed the club at times lurch from one crisis to another, yet I still go watch every home game (even though I don't live in Wakey and have to catch three trains to get there and another three to get back home afterwards).

I would love Wakey to get to be a regular competitor at the top of the table, but would hope if we ever got there, I would act with more humility to those fans of the less fortunate clubs, than some of the Wigan fans posting on here can bring themselves to do.

You don't say.

Yes, some of the Wigan fans posting on here don't have humility or respect for other clubs, but are you saying it's only Wigan that has that issue? Realistically, ALL clubs will have a percentage of nobheads, who may be vociferous, but not sharing a majority view. You are always going to be up against it, coming on a forum and insulting people, so although I respect your faith in your own club, I feel you are going to struggle to generate much empathy here.

As I have already stated, my initial posts insulted no one but sought to offer a view that Wakefield were not the only team on Sunday employing spoiling tactics. In fact other than to call one person clueless in response to a post that was worthy of the description, I have insulted no one, despite there being numerous posts of an arrogant and condescending nature, most of which were not actively offering any worthwhile counter argument to what I said.

Of course all clubs have a percentage of idiots, but they don't seem to have this inbuilt superiority complex that a number of your fans seem to have

Has it occurred to you that we may like to perpetuate and pander to peoples beliefs?

Sarcasm alert, sarcasm alert. He missed the chuffing sarcasm!

Who says they're thick in Wakey?