Your point does not make any sense.

Three of the examples you have given (Hock, Mossop and Lockers) are most likely to be included in the England pack anyway. They will joined by the likes of Westwood, Ellis, Burgess etc.

Hardly a poor pack.

TBH i have seen plenty of posts from Saints fans saying that MM is not ready but Goulding should probably have been included.

The only reason that i can see for this is because Saints provide no real English competition in the 3/4s, whereas Mcllorum's inclusion would be detrimental to golden boy Roby's standing and reputation.

yes exactly? For one this is England i don't see what saints 3/4 line has anything to do with it? And my point was Roby doesn't have the standard of forwards at SAINTS that Mcillorum has at WIGAN, therefore with Mcillorums colleagues it helps him look and play better.
Idiots like you are the reason i rarely bother posting on this Forum.

Thank the lord for small mercies.

Roby plays to make ground for himself. Saints miss countless chances out wide because EVERY quick play the ball he scoots. He does not play for the team in these situations and that is why his stats look so good going forward. I am not knocking how good he is, he is one of the best hookers in the world. But I am not going to accept he is somehow some sort of superman because of how much ground he makes.

If he came to Wigan I wouldn't want him scooting every time we get a quick play the ball, the space is on the fringes more often than not.