Had another look, frame by frame, (how sad is that!) but can't see anything that Hock did that was so bad, a bit of a not-roll, a couple of powder puffs to Scarsbrook's solar plexus, a bit of a cheek-to-cheek for a while, then a pull apart, end of that bit, a yellow at worst. The other event, Tuson and Magennis, on the other side of the scrum. They push each other, Tuson starts to turn away, Magennis fetches him a right-hander, Tuson goes a tad overboard in reponse, and apart for one-or-two minor incidenton on the sidelines, thats it for me. (sorry to be so sad about this)I hate it when other people are so sad but I'm just trying to show how this thing is going to be blown out of proportion to what it was. the real idiot was Thaler! it should have been yellows, then end of story! If we had lost I would want to blame someone, but I hope it would be the way we played the game and not a bad call from Thaler. Wigan is not a side of thugs, (nor are The Saints) it's a hard game for hard men, that's one reason we like it. So good luck to The Saints, and see you at the end of the season. you never know what might rest on that one!

Rock 'n' Roll.

He did. Tuson battered him, then Mossop put him on his backside.

For what it's worth, and I've tried to be as objective as possible here, Magennis' conduct was nothing short of appalling.

McCarthy-Scarsbrook and Hock had a bit of handbags. The pair of them were putting their heads in each others way, and it kicked off. That's happened more times in RL matches than anything. Props wind each other up, it's as simple as that - it's what the game is all about.

Magennis on the other hand is a coward. Him and Tuson had a bit of a go at each other face to face and nothing really happened other than they both had each other by the shirt. Tuson turned around to face the melee, and Magennis blindsided him when his back was turned. I'm not condoning the way Tuson went at Magennis after this, but I defy anyone who as been firstly blindsided in such a manner, and secondly in the heat of a derby game like this, NOT to retaliate.

Hock should never have been sent off. He was sent of simply because he is Gaz Hock, and I hope the RFL see this. LMS should get exactly the same punishment as Hock, because he did exactly what Hock did even if he did avoid getting sent off.

Magennis should get eight matches for what he did. It was cowardly. Sadly, Tuson will probably get a ban - probably not for retaliating per se, but for the way he went at Magennis the way he did.

As for Mossop. That punch was a blinder, but that will probably earn him a ban too. He wasn't involved in the fight, was not in any immediate danger, but still chose to punch Magennis. Technically, that's a ban, I'm afraid.

One amusing bit to come out of the scrap, though, was the reaction of my girlfriend's Salford supporting colleague's girlfriend, who was at her first RL match, who was geniunely shocked but excited that something like that could happen on a sports field.

I think Tuson will also get a ban for going a tad OTT in response. I agree Hock should be sending off sufficient but it won't be.

Normally when a player gets sent off and banned you ask questions about how professional they were but in this case with Tuson the club should give him a bonus not a fine (as sometimes happens). No one is going to go after Tuson again like that and so while we may suffer a player shortage in the next game in the long term that is one reputation cemented as not being a soft touch.

IMO from that fight after looking again.

LMS - No action. The scrum was nothing and it was Hock who made it worse starting tho throw punches. Credit to him for not throwing any punches.
Hock - Sin Bin for making what should have been a bit of nothing in a scrum into a something.
Magennis - Coward act. Only one who deserved red imo. Made the incident far worse and actually waited until a man wasn't going to be able to protect himself.
Tuson - Completely understandable to retaliate. Had a chance to stop once O'Loughlin had hold but carried on, for that a Sin Bin is understandable to cool off.

Bans:
Hock - I think a couple would be fair due to his record, though what he did was nothing spectacularly bad. After they squared up he didn't need to lash out, just pack down. He needs to learn to control himself.
Mossop - A match for coming in and taking the coward out, could have sparked it again.
Tuson - Warning
LMS - Warning
Magennis - Much worse than Godwin at the magic weekend last year, had his chance to lash out as part of a fight and waited to hit a prone player, rather than running in or anything. Calculated and cowardly. Godwin got 2, Magennis should be looking at 3+ really.

We shouldnt laugh etc but because Magennis thought he was Ryan Bailey with his cheap shot, the way Lee Mossop just walked in, dropped Magennis and walked off was brilliant to watch.

"New Ryan Bailey - You're just the new Ryan Bailey - New Ryan Baaaaailey - You're just the new Ryan Baiiiiley..."

A nice tune for Magennis' next appearance at the DW: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew7Zkkucos8

A nice tune for Magennis' next appearance at the DW: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew7Zkkucos8

IMO there should of been 4 sin binnings Hock and LMS Tuson and Magennis.. The 10 mins would of cooled them all down.
I think Hocks reputation should have NO relevance to his hearing or infact any other players.each incident should be judged separately.

IMO there should of been 4 sin binnings Hock and LMS Tuson and Magennis.. The 10 mins would of cooled them all down.
I think Hocks reputation should have NO relevance to his hearing or infact any other players.each incident should be judged separately.

Sending off for Magennis and Tuson and sin binning for Hock and LMS would have been right for me

The longer the ban, the better for saints anyway.
Waste of a shirt. Hes not the only one at the moment either.

It's not about reputation, it's about past disciplinary record. Which of course should be taken into account.

Anyone seen the picture in the Mirror where it appears that Magennis gouges Tuson?..maybe it's just the angle but it does look like he does.