I said i liked Foster i would have him over Charnley

Charnleys stats are better thats all, also Foster got run over by Karl Pryce thats exposure if ever i've seen it

Charnley's stats are better for a reason. Judging Foster purely as a winger he's basically a younger Daz Goulding. If he wasn't an immense goal-kicker nobody would really notice his play. He's solid and rarely makes an error but do you think Foster could have scored the try Charnley scored against Wire in the CC?

For a Winger, tries scored stats are less relevant than for anyone else. Look at Ade Gardner - not even close to Richards, but had similar try stats as he made a career out of falling over the line having 2 world class centres inside him.

By try stats alone - Richards was marginally better than Goulding in 2010, yet we all know the reality is very different.

This.

Richards' clean breaks, tackle busts, carries and metres gained stats probably show the reality better than the try scorer stats.... his overall contribution was immense for a winger. It was a fabulous season.

No but then again Fosters defence would have been better

Both have good and bad points and both will be playing for England in the future

Id love Lockers to win it because he is our man of steel.. although Id love Sam to win it just because the whole of Rugby League would go in to meltdown

And could Charnley have scored the try Foster scored at Leeds back in March (the one which won him try of the month from Sky)? Jamie Foster's build allows him to score tries that Charnley, being bigger, would not manage. The opposite applies also. I can't imagine Foster barging over for a try ever but Charnley would do that relatively easily.

Are you saying that Foster only scored that try because he's skinny? I'm pretty sure Charnley isn't so big that he can't reach around his back with both hands. He's not David Solomona! Anyway I was referring more to the pace that Charnley showed in going the length of the field, something I've never seen Foster do. Granted I don't see every Saints game but Foster has never struck me as having a lot of out and out speed

Depends what criteria they apply;
- if it's Workrate, Endurance, Toughness and Durability then it's going to be Roby (with Lockers and Westwood battling for runner up)
- if it's Creativity, Gamebreaking Ability and Natural Attacking Talent then it's Sam (with Chase, Dureau, Monaghan and Hodgson not far behind)

I think Man of Steel was originally intended to be the former and more of a forwards award, but the likes of Hodgson, Richards and Wellens winning it in the past has confused the criteria somewhat.

The idea of the MOS is to vote for the player that has "made the most impact in super league"

Based on that it's Sam every day of the week, lockers, Westwood and to a certain extent Roby (less so) are just ruthlessly efficient i.e they don't make a huge impact, they just do their job very well

That may be the case now, but certainly wasn't when Adrian Vowles was winning MOS.

players didnt vote it then

I agree, a true man of steel award was won by the likes of Farrell and Bell but nowadays it is voted as the player that has made the most impact, with that criteria it has to be Sam

Correct, and now it has simply become a player of the season award as generally speaking you would just assume players would tend to vote for the best player they have played against rather than the hardest in defence or most deadly in attack.